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Hunter Wallace

12-10-2007, 03:13 PM

What's the ratio of banned : posting members over there?

Check out this thread... (http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://thefirezone.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2530)

There's a lot of trash in the 2004/2005 phøra archives. This will become obvious as our restoration effort moves into the Lounge, Popular Culture, Sports and Games forums. The decline in post quality seems to accelerate as your people show up and become ever more numerous. Ebusitanus, Anarch, Sulla and others all complained about this at the time.

We won't be requiring the services of hachiko, Stan, Tranny Featherston, Captain America, Mike, il ragno, cryptoracist, Chloest, Venus, 000, Stuart Love, etc. here at The Firezone. Those who are capable of being valuable contributors, who wish to leave this soap opera in the past, and who desire to normalize their relations with us will be given the opportunity to do so.

A eugenic sieve will prevent this forum from being swamped by a rising tide of degeneracy, inanity, and incompetence which has overwhelmed your forum and previous versions of The phøra. We can't be all things to all people without racing to the lowest common denominator. Most of us would prefer to interact with other members of our class, regardless of ideology, without the constant disruptions caused by boorish, immature, uneducated American males like yourself.

- Feyd

Maguire

12-11-2007, 01:40 AM

The fact that the torah admins are so fixated with this place speaks well of its success- they are simply concerned since the quality of the traffic here is vastly superior to anything they receive anymore, despite their best efforts to slander us and scare away newcomers.

macrobius

12-11-2007, 02:19 AM

There are posts at The phøra claiming Daniel Shays, on behalf of the Firezone, has hacked the phøra.

My account there is perma-banned, and 'Slandering the Firezone' is the reason given.

This is rough and ready justice. (1) Do you believe it is true? and (2) Is this a Firezone sponsored hack and is Daniel Shays a Firezone agent?

If true and this is Firezone-sponsored, please disable my account here and goodbye.

If it is not true, please make a public disavowal.

-Macrobius.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 02:23 AM

This is a 2bit false-flag. LMFAO, nice try Overwatch. About an hour ago we were tipped off that Julian Lee and Angler were banned. We sent invites out to them. Then we heard this shit.

I've spoken with Thomas, he knows it wasn't me.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 02:45 AM

Daniel S. isn't the culprit.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 02:57 AM

I was just going to sleep before these exploits. Goodnight.

Oh, and btw if I 'hacked' the phøra I'd have taken a backup of the entire forum (Fade's property) and then merged it here using Impex (like I'm doing for OCD). So whoever did it, send me the gzipped file...? Didn't think so.:% OW will play around with some posts but he wouldn't give us that.

Wolverine

12-11-2007, 03:11 AM

The phøra has been officially haKKKed by the Firezone.

Through my poSSSition as MudTurd-ator of the phøra, I have also data-mined all your paSSSwords and uSSSernames.

This is Flak or someone impersonating him.

Queequeg

12-11-2007, 03:15 AM

Daniel S. isn't the culprit.
Well, until we find out who it is, would you mind typing an incorrect password at your phøra login screen 5 times to temporarily disable your account please?

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 03:18 AM

People are so stuck in the this "blame the firezone" box that they haven't even considered any other possibility. I'm not surprised. This antagonistic mentality has been going on even since when we used to post on the same forum.

niccolo and donkey

12-11-2007, 03:24 AM

Announcing himself as "Daniel S." and using a verbal methodology akin to Overwatch's style clearly indicates that the hacker isn't Daniel S....nor anyone from The phøra since threads are being hard-deleted.

What is interesting is that mike's account has been banned some 10 times, while The Retard's account was reactivated, and he posted on the forum and in shoutbox, before getting banned again.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 03:26 AM

Well, until we find out who it is, would you mind typing an incorrect password at your phøra login screen 5 times to temporarily disable your account please?

Will do.

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 03:32 AM

People take the internet WAYYYY too seriously. I don't know if its a setup or a hack, but either way, these tactics need to stop.

Manifest Destiny

12-11-2007, 03:33 AM

It looks to me like Overwatch was behind this.

Wolverine

12-11-2007, 03:33 AM

EinsatzKommando

12-11-2007, 03:36 AM

This is definately not us. If we actually had control over the phøra the first things we would do is delete the racial bastard sulla and his salad tossing calabrisian seinfeld-impersonator Il Fagno. People like Angler, Julian Lee, and Mike are not really our enemies (they are irrelevant in our eyes), we would not waste time banning them and unbanning the retard (?) .

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 03:36 AM

It seems that over on SI and on The phøra, some of my friends are concerned that I am in fact ''one of them!'' a la John Carpenter's ''The Thing''.

Look, I was killing time on the phøra an hour or two ago and I noticed that bans were being handed out by my and Overwatch's acct. I'm not colluding with anybody, and I'm not a slimy, shape-shifting cipher. These antics are gay as hell, in all honesty, and I think it should be pretty clear that Daniel S. isn't the culprit. If you don't believe me, fine...but I'm not going to play late-night internet Clarence Darrow and try to convince all of you that he's not guilty.

Please don't try to draw me into this ''Who Goes There?'' drama.

niccolo and donkey

12-11-2007, 03:41 AM

The Retard has an alibi.

I'm not accusing The Retard of hacking the phøra. I'm just stating a few facts. I don't know who used that account to post in the forum and on the shoutbox.

leopoldbloom

12-11-2007, 03:45 AM

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 03:49 AM

I don't believe anyone thinks that you are colluding with whomever is responsible. It is clear that none of this is your doing.

Thank you. Nice to see the lady on the jury come through.

Hippias

12-11-2007, 04:01 AM

I doubt Thomas hacked the phøra. It's clear that he enjoys posting there and he has no motive to jeopardize his good standing there. It's probably Orr or some other miscreant.

niccolo and donkey

12-11-2007, 04:03 AM

I doubt Thomas hacked the phøra. It's clear that he enjoys posting there and he has no motive to jeopardize his good standing there. It's probably Orr or some other miscreant.

Orr doesn't have the know-how to hack a forum and he is too much an egoist to not leave obvious clues if he were to do it. There'd be a lot of homofury directed against his detractors if it were him.

Hippias

12-11-2007, 04:07 AM

Orr doesn't have the know-how to hack a forum

How do you know that he doesn't?

niccolo and donkey

12-11-2007, 04:10 AM

How do you know that he doesn't?

Because he would have done it long ago, and often enough. He's not the cancer he used to be (albeit he's still malignant).

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 04:12 AM

How do you know that he doesn't?

My suspicion is that Barjag is the culprit...I don't have a beef with him, but the culprit seems to be aiming to destroy phøra threads and sow dissent, and our friend Barjag is known to nurse grudges when he is banned from forums. I also noticed the ''riddlemethis'' acct. logging in moments before I was hijacked and then quickly logging out.

Admittedly, this accusation is premised on little more than a hunch, but sometimes these instincts should be trusted. I don't wish to attack the man in absentia, so I'll leave it at that.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 04:16 AM

Because he would have done it long ago, and often enough. He's not the cancer he used to be (albeit he's still malignant).

Some pretty serious accusations were levied against him recently, Nic...you know what I am referring to so I don't need to elaborate.

If somebody accused me of that sort of thing, and subsequently I was banned from every forum that was frequented by my accusers, I would be pretty irate...and Barjag is known to have a more wicked temper than most.

Its not like the passage of time ever mitigated his grudge against you and SE...

Hippias

12-11-2007, 04:19 AM

Because he would have done it long ago, and often enough.

Maybe Orr has learned some new tricks. He knows how to use the vBulletin software.

At any rate, whoever the culprit is, it's not Thomas. Sabotaging forums that he enjoys posting at would make no sense.

niccolo and donkey

12-11-2007, 04:20 AM

Maybe Orr has learned some new tricks. He knows how to use the vBulletin software.

At any rate, whoever the culprit is, it's not Thomas. Sabotaging forums that he enjoys posting at would make no sense.

of course it isn't thomas.

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 04:25 AM

I would be surprised to learn that Thomas did this, but simply arguing "who benefits" isn't acceptable by real standards of evidence.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 04:27 AM

I would be surprised to learn that Thomas did this, but simply arguing "who benefits" isn't acceptable by real standards of evidence.

Actually, evidence of motive, plan, or design is relevant, independently significant, and admissible in every State in the Union as well as Federal court.

All of that aside, arbitrarily and randomly attacking forums for no reason at all does not seem a likely course of conduct for anybody, even if they are deranged.

niccolo and donkey

12-11-2007, 04:29 AM

Actually, evidence of motive, plan, or design is relevant, independently significant, and admissible in every State in the Union as well as Federal court.

All of that aside, arbitrarily and randomly attacking forums for no reason at all does not seem a likely course of conduct for anybody, even if they are deranged.

Hey Thomas,

on what street was that concert that you recently attended and that we discussed?

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 04:35 AM

You can't prove or disprove something beyond a reasonable doubt just by debating motives.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 04:40 AM

Hey Thomas,

on what street was that concert that you recently attended and that we discussed?

Devon.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 04:41 AM

You can't prove or disprove something beyond a reasonable doubt just by debating motives.

Good luck with carrying that burden of proof in the course of internet debates.

I can't much rely on what people tell me who aren't under pain of perjury either...but being that we're posting on a forum and we're not in a courtroom at trial, none of this is really important.

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 04:54 AM

Irrationality is a possibility, but I'm not accusing you thomas777, I'm just saying history isn't always rational and logical.

macrobius

12-11-2007, 05:31 AM

Well, Daniel, it sounds like you have someone going around and slandering you and the Firezone. Thanks for responding,

-Macrobius.

oblisk

12-11-2007, 06:46 AM

Will the ban be lifted? Or is it a permban?

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 07:22 AM

It looks like Shays made him an administrator here last night. I'm guessing that earned him a permanent ban.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 07:29 AM

Macrobius,

This is news to me. When did this happen? I spent most of yesterday restoring archives to the Race Relations and Health and Fitness forum. I certainly had nothing to do with it. As for Shays, he has been studying for finals and hasn't been posting much lately. I haven't seen Mazdak in a few days either.

Queequeg

12-11-2007, 07:43 AM

It looks like Shays made him an administrator here last night. I'm guessing that earned him a permanent ban.
I think you have your chickens and eggs mixed up here. Spark spammed the phøra with homo-porn, was duly banned, and was rewarded with a mod account here as you have offered as an incentive to anyone banned from the phøra.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 07:52 AM

Whoever did this, it is incredibly stupid and childish. All I can say is that it for damn sure wasn't me. I logged off around 6:30 PM or so. I spent yesterday evening at The Summit doing some Christmas shopping.

Beria

12-11-2007, 07:52 AM

I think you have your chickens and eggs mixed up here. Spark spammed the phøra with homo-porn, was duly banned, and was rewarded with a mod account here as you have offered as an incentive to anyone banned from the phøra.

Correction: Spark was already a mod, if anybody checked the forum leaders/spark's account prior to last night it would have shown this. He was one of the original moderators from the beginning (Current Events).

That policy is for mods, not administrators.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 07:55 AM

Berianidze is correct. Spark has long been the moderator of the Current Events forum.

Beria

12-11-2007, 08:03 AM

It wasn't any of us on the Firezone staff, let's consider a few things here:

*Thomas is one of our staff members and a valuable member here - we wouldn't risk alienating him by compromising his account. We wanted Thomas777 to post here, we made him a staff member, because we enjoy his contributions and find him a valuable addition to our community.
*Even if we wanted, I'm sure after all the accusations and allegations that were unfairly leveled at us before, Thomas would've had enough sense to have separate passwords for the two boards.
*Why would Daniel S. compromise his own reputation and integrity, and that of the Firezone by announcing his hack?
*Other than speculation, is there any physical evidence linking any Firezone staff member to the alleged hack?
*Such an arbitrary move is not in our best interest, and wouldn't have been worth the risk to begin with. What was gained? Nothing. What would be at stake: reputation of our staff and forum, turn off posters like Thomas777, put ourselves in an awkward position to have to explain and account for ourselves.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 08:08 AM

It should be obvious by now who is responsible. This must be the third or fourth Reichstag Fire incident at The phøra in recent months. Every single time this happens we are accused of doing this or that. The goal is to stir up paranoia and hostility towards this forum. Meanwhile, no one experiences any problems posting here.

Shall we review?

- We have been accused of "outing" leopoldbloom. I don't even really know this woman. She browses here regularly. None of us have a problem with her.

- We have been accused of hijacking Starr's account and "hacking" The phøra with her password. Starr herself has admitted that she used a different password here at The Firezone. I certainly don't have a problem with Starr. None of us do.

- A few days ago, Spark's account was hijacked and used to spam gay pornography on The phøra. He was banned for that offense. None of us here have a problem with Spark, who is one of our moderators, and tampering with his account would only give him incentive to leave.

- Around the same time, Race Realism was hacked and destroyed.

- Now, it appears that someone has tampered with Thomas777's account on The phøra. No one here has a problem with Thomas777. We certainly have nothing to gain from "hacking" The phøra either (uploading a backup could easily repair any damage). I haven't spoken with Thomas777, as I am just waking up to this news, but I strongly suspect that he used a different password here as well. We encourage everyone to do so as a security precaution.

- The posts earlier in this thread indicate that Julian Lee, Macrobius, and Angler, etc were banned. Like Thomas777, no one at The Firezone has a problem with them.

- It seems like The Retard is being setup as the fall guy, or is it Daniel Shays? Last time around, it was Lieutenant William Bligh, whose account was hijacked and used to send us a rapidshare upload of The phøra's Mod Lounge. Yet another phøra member none of us have a problem with.

We're super hackers:

- Ix hacks The phøra and conveniently uses his own IP address to do so.
- Ix and Kane both change the time zone of Starr's hacked supermoderator account (with a password they could not have acquired) to further implicate themselves.
- Ix and Kane have a "we done it" conversation in the Shoutbox.
- Like The Retard, Daniel Shays is conjured up at the scene of the crime to take responsibility. My account is magically unbanned, as if I have the slightest interest in posting on The phøra.
- Shays is trotted out yet again to take responsibility for hacking Thomas777.

OVERWATCH is obsessed with The Firezone. Every single day he is over there at Stumble Inn bitching and whining about us, conjuring up ever new absurd atrocities to accuse us of. We have tried ignoring these people, closing this forum to guests, closing this forum to proxies, etc.

Nothing works. This disturbed individual has spent three months now harassing us. He has outed Metal Gear in real life. He has tried to out me in real life. He posts photos of Mazdak and Berianidze at Stumble Inn w/out their authorization to antagonize them.

Seriously, you need to grow up.

Queequeg

12-11-2007, 08:30 AM

Well regardless, he spammed the phøra with homoporn, and that's why he was banned. I mean seriously, what's the point in playing this game? You know it, I know it, you know that I know it and you know that I know that you know it, and I doubt most of "the gallery" is under any illusions about it either.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:04 AM

Well regardless, he spammed the phøra with homoporn, and that's why he was banned. I mean seriously, what's the point in playing this game?

This is false. Spark did not post gay pornography on The phøra. Someone tampered with his account, used it to post homo porn, and then banned him for that offense.

You know it, I know it, you know that I know it and you know that I know that you know it, and I doubt most of "the gallery" is under any illusions about it either.

Here is what I know:

- OVERWATCH has spent three months now antagonizing us on Stumble Inn. Every single day he posts there attacking us. The same is true of il ragno and other phøra moderators like Jake Featherston.

- We have offered to end this feud with him several times now. He refuses to do so. Instead, he continues to relentlessly antagonize us on other websites.

- I haven't seen Spark say a negative word here about The phøra.

- It's my understanding that his account at The phøra was tampered with. That's hardly unprecedented. The same thing happened to Lieutenant William Bligh a month ago. Stan has admitted in your own Mod Lounge that he tampers with accounts to "sabotage" members he dislikes.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:09 AM

You people have admitted in your own Mod Lounge that you play games like this:

General Jack D. Ripper wrote:

He's already proven himself to be a liar. Edit one of his new posts and add something disgusting to it, then ban him for that. He'll claim we forged it of course, but in light of their previous forgery of screenshots and his reputation, it will only make him look even more spiteful and a lowlife, and we'll have gotten an excuse to get rid of him.

General Jack D. Ripper wrote:

We get to sabotage him, ban him AND make him look like a pathetic liar. Think about it, wholesome fun for the entire mod squad.

^^ Here is Stan admitting that he tampered with Mazdak's account to "sabotage" him.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:19 AM

I was just going to sleep before these exploits. Goodnight.

Oh, and btw if I 'hacked' the phøra I'd have taken a backup of the entire forum and then merged it here using Impex (like I'm doing for OCD). So whoever did it, send me the gzipped file...? Didn't think so.:% OW will play around with some posts but he wouldn't give us that.

That reminds me. A few days ago, someone also tampered with Niccolo's account over there. The goal was to also to stir up trouble.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 09:29 AM

I think you have your chickens and eggs mixed up here. Spark spammed the phøra with homo-porn, was duly banned, and was rewarded with a mod account here as you have offered as an incentive to anyone banned from the phøra.
Spark was originally an Admin at the Shadow-phøra before Fade was invited to our project. Due to inactivity he was lowered to a moderator position. In the face of renewed activity he was given Adminship.

Queequeg

12-11-2007, 09:41 AM

This is false. Spark did not post gay pornography on The phøra. Someone tampered with his account, used it to post homo porn, and then banned him for that offense.

Here is what I know:

- OVERWATCH has spent three months now antagonizing us on Stumble Inn. Every single day he posts there attacking us. The same is true of il ragno and other phøra moderators like Jake Featherston.

- We have offered to end this feud with him several times now. He refuses to do so. Instead, he continues to relentlessly antagonize us on other websites.

- I haven't seen Spark say a negative word here about The phøra.

- It's my understanding that his account at The phøra was tampered with. That's hardly unprecedented. The same thing happened to Lieutenant William Bligh a month ago. Stan has admitted in your own Mod Lounge that he tampers with accounts to "sabotage" members he dislikes.
The fact that Stan once suggested in jest to modify Mazdak's posts, then was shot down by OW and told not to, doesn't give you guys limitless license to claim that this is what has happened every time someone pulls a stunt to get banned. This is just a transparent subterfuge.

Queequeg

12-11-2007, 09:46 AM

You people have admitted in your own Mod Lounge that you play games like this:

^^ Here is Stan admitting that he tampered with Mazdak's account to "sabotage" him.
LOL, How many times are you going to post that? That was suggested once, and Stan was overruled by OW. It's hardly a standard practice.

No-one from the phøra is playing games here. You are simply using Stan's one-off misjudgment as a pretext to accuse the phøra of self-sabotage every time it gets hacked. It's ridiculous.

Nailz

12-11-2007, 09:47 AM

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:58 AM

To be perfectly frank, I am sick and tired of being libeled by lowlifes from other websites.

Nailz

12-11-2007, 10:10 AM

To be perfectly frank, I am sick and tired of being libeled by lowlifes from other websites.

Well, maybe you should forbid your "comrades" to admit hacking other people's email accounts if they didn't do it.

I remember very well what Ix wrote ("we have nothing against Starr personally"). Or do you want to say he never said they hacked her account?
Maybe I just dreamed it?

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 10:27 AM

I wouldn't care if someone falsely attributed an attack to our forum (free advertising) but using my sn is unsettling on a personal level. Overwatch has said he doesn't think it was me so maybe this a genuine hijacking. If my sn wasn't being forged I wouldn't have been able to summon the energy to comment on this defacement of their forum.

So Julian Lee and Angler were banned for 'slandering the firezone' (I used that ban message once and it was to ban O'Zeebee, he made it public at stumbleinn a month or so ago) -- then invited to the firezone by Billy S. and I after we saw they were banned...? They must be confused. Our policy has always been to invite people here, why would we ban desirable posters like Julian (who we've tried to get here since launch) and say it was because they slandered us? Did Julian Lee ever even libel us?

Queequeg

12-11-2007, 10:52 AM

To be perfectly frank, I am sick and tired of being libeled by lowlifes from other websites.
What material relevance does this have to the reason for Spark's banning?

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 10:56 AM

LOL, How many times are you going to post that? That was suggested once, and Stan was overruled by OW. It's hardly a standard practice.

Let's review:

1.) OVERWATCH outed Metal Gear in real life.
2.) OVERWATCH has tried to out me in real life.
3.) OVERWATCH posted Mazdak's photo on Stumble Inn.
4.) OVERWATCH posted Berianidze's photo on Stumble Inn.

Obviously, you people have already shown that you will sink to any low in antagonizing this forum. Just browse Jaybird's place. EVERY SINGLE DAY your members are over there attacking us.

No-one from the phøra is playing games here. Bullshit.

This crap seems to constantly happen ON YOUR FORUM. It doesn't happen here because someone on your end is responsible.

You are simply using Stan's one-off misjudgment as a pretext to accuse the phøra of self-sabotage every time it gets hacked. It's ridiculous.Stan has confessed to sabotaging accounts. He says quite clearly that he intended to sabotage Mazdak, make him look like a pathetic liar, and then ban him for that.

Wait a minute. That's exactly what happened to Ymir, Spark, amd Lieutenant William Bligh, too.

General Jack D. Ripper wrote:

He's already proven himself to be a liar. Edit one of his new posts and add something disgusting to it, then ban him for that. He'll claim we forged it of course, but in light of their previous forgery of screenshots and his reputation, it will only make him look even more spiteful and a lowlife, and we'll have gotten an excuse to get rid of him.

General Jack D. Ripper wrote:

We get to sabotage him, ban him AND make him look like a pathetic liar. Think about it, wholesome fun for the entire mod squad.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 11:06 AM

The fact that Stan once suggested in jest to modify Mazdak's posts, then was shot down by OW and told not to, doesn't give you guys limitless license to claim that this is what has happened every time someone pulls a stunt to get banned. This is just a transparent subterfuge.

Stan had admitted on your forum that he was thinking about using Mazdak's account to pull a stunt exactly like this one. You purged Spark and concocted an excuse to do so because he was a moderator on this forum.

Now, a few days later, you are screwing around with the phøra accounts of Thomas777 and Macrobius. How convenient that "Daniel Shays" shows up at exactly that moment to take responsibility. Isn't that what happened last time?

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 11:08 AM

Absolutely correct. You guys should stop with this shit.
The most people on this forum are not here since yesterday.

We can't exactly stop this shit because we are not responsible. I'm not sure who hijacked Thomas777 at The phøra.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 11:10 AM

What material relevance does this have to the reason for Spark's banning?

Because the drama that constantly goes on at other forums has been spilling over here and distracting us from more important matters. It seems that every other day now some absurd accusation is leveled against us.

Apocales

12-11-2007, 11:10 AM

Stan had admitted on your forum that he was thinking about using Mazdak's account to pull a stunt exactly like this one. You purged Spark and concocted an excuse to do so because he was a moderator on this forum.

Now, a few days later, you are screwing around with the phøra accounts of Thomas777 and Macrobius. How convenient that "Daniel Shays" shows up at exactly that moment to take responsibility. Isn't that what happened last time?

Haven't a half a dozen people been kicked for allegedly posting "gay porn" on phøra? Are these people being setup?

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 11:16 AM

Well, maybe you should forbid your "comrades" to admit hacking other people's email accounts if they didn't do it.

That's a lie. We haven't hacked the email accounts of anyone.

I remember very well what Ix wrote ("we have nothing against Starr personally"). Or do you want to say he never said they hacked her account?
Maybe I just dreamed it?

1.) Why would Ix hack the email accounts of Starr? He has never had a personal grievance against her.

2.) According to OVERWATCH, the so-called hacker mysteriously just happened to have the same IP address as Ix. Why wouldn't a real hacker use a proxy?

3.) According to OVERWATCH, the hacker(s) changed the time zone of Starr's hacked account to match their own preferences. Why would a real hacker do that?

4.) According to OVERWATCH, "Daniel Shays" immediately showed up there to take responsibility, as was the case this time. Why would Shays take credit for hacking The phøra?

5.) According to OVERWATCH, Ix had a conversation in the Shoutbox in which he bragged about hacking The phøra at the time. Again, why on earth would he do that?

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 11:25 AM

Haven't a half a dozen people been kicked for allegedly posting "gay porn" on phøra? Are these people being setup?

I'm not sure. They concoct various bullshit excuses to get rid of people over there. I was banned for the "subversion" of Zvaci. I had stopped browsing there a few weeks before that happened.

Who cares? I'm sick of those people. I want nothing to do with them. I don't want to be bothered every single day by the latest gossip about us on other websites. Something is going to be done about this.

macrobius

12-11-2007, 11:31 AM

Despite a desire on both sides to indulge prejudices, I suggest that the most expedient way to damp down this sort of drama is not to feed it with accusations -- I gave the same advice over at the phøra. This advice stands even if there is substance to the accusations on one side or the other.

Obviously, whoever it is likes stirring things up. The best way to deal with such a person is not gratify them with screeds and accusations, whatever basis one may feel such things have -- and honestly I've seen about 100 or so baseless accusations, randomly hurled in posts and shoutboxes, across several fora, since yesterday, but no actual evidence at all of course.

When these things happen, the admins should examine the forensic evidence if they care, otherwise we should fix things up and move on.

For those who crave attention, silence is the most potent weapon.

Nailz

12-11-2007, 11:34 AM

That's a lie. We haven't hacked the email accounts of anyone.

I never said that you stood behind it and I don't think so.

Anyway, for that what now happened I blame nobody but The phøra Crew, that allowed Thomas777 to be moderator on their forum though he's mod here too.
That's like if somebody is Minister of the German Reich and the Soviet Union, or better, Israel and Palestine at the same time.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 11:40 AM

I've been successfully curtailing my internet use for sometime now and these kind of shenanigans only make it easier. In that sense it is a positive thing that someone pretended to be me over there. The only downside is the stress brought to my handful of real comrades I have from these forums (including Thomas) especially the ones I meet in real life.

I've wanted to smoke the peacepipe with the phøra for more than a month. Do I really come off like someone who would physically remove threads and talkkk like that? Why would I deny cracking into your forum here if 'I' gush incessantly about it there? If I remove the thread promising moderatorship to people who get banned at the phøra will you all stop pretending I hack you? There I just removed it. Please don't accuse me next time, whoever it is who does this. This is my final post on this subject.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 11:50 AM

Macrobius,

We have offered several times now to end this childish soap opera with OVERWATCH. This is all he has to do:

1.) Stop antagonizing us on other websites.
2.) Leave the drama of recent months in the past.

Isn't that magnanimous and reasonable? We could always nurse our grievances against this man, but we would prefer to part ways on amicable terms. If he would simply leave us alone, that would be the end of the matter.

We are not responsible for hacking The phøra. Whoever did this seems be trying to stir up animosity against The Firezone. Again, there is only one individual who 1.) is obsessed with us enough to do something like this and 2.) has the access to do so.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 11:54 AM

I never said that you stood behind it and I don't think so.

Anyway, for that what now happened I blame nobody but The phøra Crew, that allowed Thomas777 to be moderator on their forum though he's mod here too.
That's like if somebody is Minister of the German Reich and the Soviet Union, or better, Israel and Palestine at the same time.

Thomas777 is a decent and honest man. I have no doubt that someone hijacked his account and used it to stir up trouble there. I can only speculate as to why. The same thing happened to Spark a few days ago.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 12:20 PM

Shays and Berianidze,

You're right. It has to be OVERWATCH. There is no other suspect who could have pulled this off. After he tampered with Starr's account, OVERWATCH made the grand announcement that everyone who posts here should use different passwords. Presumably, all the phøra members who cross post to The Firezone did so as a security precaution.

It can't be Ix and Kane. To my knowledge, Thomas777 was never a member of Race Realism or ScopeVision, so they couldn't have harvested his password there. Aside from that, no one here has any reason to antagonize Thomas777. He is a friend of ours and posts here regularly. We have nothing to gain from screwing with his phøra account.

Let's suppose for the sake of argument that Ix and Kane hacked both Thomas777 and Starr. If they had that power, I am pretty sure they would have taken advantage of it to hard delete Jake Featherston and Pracownik stal.

It's either OVERWATCH, an unlikely Stan, or some unknown third party with a grievance against The Firezone. The fact that this has happened twice now strongly suggests another Reichstag Fire incident.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 12:36 PM

Excellent points, fade. Thomas, did you take OW's recommended security precautions and have a dif. password here?

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 12:46 PM

For the record, I think everyone who posts on The Firezone should use a unique password and unique email address. That's really the only way to dispel this libel against us. It's also a wise security precaution.

Next time this happens, and there will be a next time, as OVERWATCH has already enjoyed considerable success with this little ruse of his, I don't want people coming here to accuse us of the being responsible for the latest "hack" of The phøra. Now that I think about it, that was probably his motive.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 01:12 PM

Shays,

Can you please reopen The Firezone to guests. I have an important announcement to make. :)

Beria

12-11-2007, 01:17 PM

Shays,

Can you please reopen The Firezone to guests. I have an important announcement to make. :)

Done.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 01:42 PM

Check it out.

http://thefirezone.info/forum/showthread.php?p=19306

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 02:25 PM

Your constant slander of our forum has forced me to drop other matters and respond to malicious accusations. Here goes.

I knew it was a bad idea for people to continue to post there after the first incident. Hopefully this will be a lesson to keep clear of that place.

This really is the second time now that the security of your forum has been compromised within the last two months. Well, not exactly. These sort of antics happen on your forum, not ours, because your own administrators are the ones who keep doing it. There hasn't been any security breach at all.

My assessment too Mike. Funny how both times this happened it was with users who had an account at a certain other forum which won't be mentioned by name here that could be compromised there...

Here is my assessment:

General Jack D. Ripper wrote:

He's already proven himself to be a liar. Edit one of his new posts and add something disgusting to it, then ban him for that. He'll claim we forged it of course, but in light of their previous forgery of screenshots and his reputation, it will only make him look even more spiteful and a lowlife, and we'll have gotten an excuse to get rid of him.

General Jack D. Ripper wrote:

We get to sabotage him, ban him AND make him look like a pathetic liar. Think about it, wholesome fun for the entire mod squad.

I'm trying to avoid leaping to any conclusions here before Overwatch gets all the facts, but one thing I will say is that the vandalism does not appear to have happened due to any "hack". It appears to have happened - again - due to the compromised user account of a supermoderator. Appears, at least. At any rate, there is a big difference.

In other words, yet another account on YOUR WEBSITE. Why don't you ask Thomas777 if he used the same password here before jumping to the conclusion that he did so? Starr didn't use the same password on The Firezone that she did on The phøra.

Here's what I do know: a phøra administrator could easily have tampered with his account via the Admin CP. OVERWATCH could have also used the SAME METHOD which only he has described to retrieve passwords from his own database.

Again, as a reminder, you people gotta use different passwords for every forum you visit on the Internet, and use a unique password for your email account that is especially secure. It's imperative!You're jumping to conclusions. Thomas777 has not said that he used the same password here that he used on The phøra. On the contrary, he has said that Daniel Shays is not responsible.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 02:36 PM

Some of our staff members need to watch out where they go on the internut and be mindful of email/password security.

Nonsense.

It doesn't matter what password that Starr, Thomas777, Lieutenant William Bligh, Spark or anyone else uses on other websites. YOU have access to any password they choose because you can always retrieve it FROM YOUR OWN DATABASE.

I wouldn't say we get hacked all that often, two years have went by with only the most minor occurances, but since the launch of that other forum filled with malcontents there's been two incidences of staff members being compromised. Those staff members were/are a part of that forum and probably didn't practise proper security measures.

Your database was also hacked and deleted in December 2005. I know this because I searched your posts at vBulletin.com where you asked for assistance there.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 02:42 PM

Is being restored at this very moment, in fact.

Of course it is. OVERTHROWN took a backup of The phøra immediately before he trashed his own forum and accused us of doing so. As it happens, that is exactly why none of us would ever bother to "hack" The phøra. Obviously, it would accomplish nothing.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 02:45 PM

When I went to the phøra during this controversy I got the bluehost bandwidth error. That happens when someone is taking a backup. So an admin was online during all this - taking a backup - that evidently they discarded in favor of an older one for dramatic effect. The phøra staff are probably ignorant of these plots hatched by their Admin troika.

http://thefirezone.info/forum/showthread.php?p=11226&#post11226

^ needless to say my offer was rebuffed.

Please guys, stop hacking yourselves. It is cringeworthy.

and we take backups twice a day since Ahknaton made subtle threats against this board.

interloper

12-11-2007, 02:50 PM

My suspicion is that Barjag is the culprit...I don't have a beef with him, but the culprit seems to be aiming to destroy phøra threads and sow dissent, and our friend Barjag is known to nurse grudges when he is banned from forums. I also noticed the ''riddlemethis'' acct. logging in moments before I was hijacked and then quickly logging out.

It is poor form to voice these accusations on a mere hunch, though; I see why it has appeal. After all, Orr is not well liked on this forum or the phøra, and so, attempting to assign the blame to him may satisfy enough posters, and dampen interest in discovering who the real culprits are.

Nor do I wish to assign blame to the Firezone or the phøra staff either, since I do not have evidence nor was I present when the "hacked" 777 account was making statements in the SB. Somehow, I am having trouble believing lightning is striking the same place twiceâ€¦.

IlluSionS667

12-11-2007, 02:52 PM

Nonsense.

It doesn't matter what password that Starr, Thomas777, Lieutenant William Bligh, Spark or anyone else uses on other websites. YOU have access to any password they choose because you can always retrieve it FROM YOUR OWN DATABASE.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't forums like these use strong encryption for their passwords?! :%

Anyway, these accusations back and forward are seriously starting to annoy me. It seems like this forum has no other purpose but denying accusations made at The phøra and making other accusations about them, which makes me seriously question why I should bother to stay here.

I'm here for ideological discussion and ideological discussion only. Isn't that what this forum is supposed to be about? All these petty fights with other forums distract all attention away from that.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 02:52 PM

I can think of a number of shavelings who have a very strong motive for doing so, as well as a demonstated ability and willingness to do so....

Yes, the #1 suspect is .... you.

1.) As the owner of The phøra, you could have retrieved the password of anyone from your own database. You could have also tampered with the passwords of anyone in your Admin CP.

2.) Last time you pulled this stunt, you blamed us for it and most people were stupid enough to believe you.

3.) You're obviously obsessed with The Firezone. EVERY SINGLE DAY you attack us on Stumble Inn.

4.) We have nothing to gain from harassing either Thomas777 or Macrobius. You are simply trying to create paranoia to deter phøra members from posting on other websites.

5.) We have offered to end this ridiculous soap opera several times now. YOU have refused to do so.

6.) A few days ago, you hijacked Spark's account, used it to post gay pornography on your own website, accused us of this, and banned him.

If you would simply leave us alone, that would be the end of the matter. But no. You continue to harass and antagonize us. This latest incident is just another example of a well-established pattern: your own childish, petty, vindictive, butt hurt grievance that you can't boss us around anymore.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 02:57 PM

I'm here for ideological discussion and ideological discussion only. Isn't that what this forum is supposed to be about? All these petty fights with other forums distract all attention away from that.

You can browse our hidden forums. I'm as sick as this of anyone else. In fact, I proposed banning every single one of them earlier this morning.

We have tried ignoring these people. Every time we do so they come over here and accuse us of being responsible for some new dramatic episode on their forums.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 03:06 PM

The SOB is doing it again. The reason he is doing it is because last time most people believed him. It's only a matter of time before he makes some grand announcement that I was responsible.

interloper

12-11-2007, 03:17 PM

The SOB is doing it again. .

Beg your pardon, but who is the "SOB"?

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 03:22 PM

Yes, there are strong encryptions and trying to view the passwords would be an EXTREMELY time-consuming task.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 03:23 PM

OVERWATCH.

This is the second time now he has sabotaged his own forum and accused Daniel Shays of doing it. In both cases, "Daniel Shays" magically appeared there to take responsibility.

IlluSionS667

12-11-2007, 03:24 PM

You can browse our hidden forums. I'm as sick as this of anyone else. In fact, I proposed banning every single one of them earlier this morning.

Exactly my point. STOP talking about them.

We have tried ignoring these people. Every time we do so they come over here and accuse us of being responsible for some new dramatic episode on their forums.

So what? Make a new rule which states that repeating accusations made at other forums could lead to an immediate permanent ban on this forum. Further, ban anyone who abuses his membership of this forum for malice.

Other than that, we should just ignore The phøra and the Stumble Inn. It's quite immature and pointless to bitch about them continuously and it makes us no better than them.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 03:25 PM

That's a good idea. I would support that.

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 03:35 PM

This is equivalent to the fake crimes, where black people put nooses and Jews draw swastikas.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 03:44 PM

Let's codify it and enforce it. Next time they hack their forum and blame us, someone should PM us instead of starting a thread.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 03:46 PM

OVERWATCH.

This is the second time now he has sabotaged his own forum and accused Daniel Shays of doing it. In both cases, "Daniel Shays" magically appeared there to take responsibility.
They claimed Ix and Kane did the first one, right? They balked at the sequel so I signed on for the latest Overwatch production.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 03:47 PM

I actually doubt Fade has any control over those people. Ixabert or Kane are at it again.

That doesn't wash. Thomas777 wasn't a member of Race Realism or ScopeVision. Thus, Ix and Kane could not have acquired his password there even if they wanted to do so. The same was true of Starr who has admitted to using a unique password on The phøra.

Fade's claims that we do these things ourselves is just stupid.

That's the most reasonable explanation, Sulla. Why on earth would we "hack" your forum, brag about doing so over there, and then deny it here? If it is not us, then it has to be you, or some very unlikely third party.

That was the claim with the Starr hacking too, though he seems at a loss to explain why he has access to the Super Mod lounge with Starr's NAME in the corner of the screenshots.

That download of your Mod Lounge was sent to us by Lieutenant William Bligh or someone else flying under his username. He passed it along to Ixabert who gave it to us. Seeing as how LWB is a mild mannered person, it is highly unlikely that he orchestrated the grand hack of your forum.

If Fade is SERIOUS about running a board he needs to prune half of the 'administrators'. Fade's complicity comes not in the hacking, but in his attempts to SPIN the hackings.

No one here has "hacked" your forum. In fact, we have offered several times now to end this ridiculous soap opera.

1.) If you would agree to stop antagonizing us ...
2.) If you would agree to leave this soap opera in the past ...

... that would be the end of the matter. The accounts that have been banned here would be unbanned and everyone could resume posting normally. You people have rejected this offer of ours.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 04:01 PM

No one with half a brain talking to a gallery with just another one can even get away with selling such BS. I would wish nothing but them to move on and forget about us...but alas the reality is that they only thrive through this drama made so that people remember they even exist.

Yeah right.

We're the ones who "thrive through this drama." Meanwhile, OVERWATCH, Jake Featherston, and il ragno are over at Stumble Inn attacking us EVERY SINGLE DAY and disclosing personal information about our members without their authorization. You do realize that we have been forced to close this forum to guests, close this forum to proxies, and ban tons of accounts here because you people REFUSE to stop libeling us?

I used to think quite highly of you. My opinion changed after you banned Ymir, Ix, Mazdak, and Zvaci. I saw those comments about me in your Mod Lounge. Meanwhile, you were fine with BRANDON ORR posting on The phøra for no other reason than to spite us. Don't give me this highminded, pretentious, self-righteous, two-faced bullshit when you slander us in private and put on a different mask in public.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 04:07 PM

Illusions is right. We don't need to perpetuate this soap opera. These people are trying to troll us, disrupt this forum, and responding only gives them what they want.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 04:12 PM

I'm going to lock this thread. These people continue to relentlessly antagonize us. I need to cool down before I lose my temper. In the future, I suggest that we lock, move, hard delete all new phøra or Stumble Inn threads.

That's moderate compared to the solution I proposed this morning: banning every single Firezone member who cross posts to either of these forums.

Nailz

12-11-2007, 04:37 PM

Thomas777 is a decent and honest man. I have no doubt that someone hijacked his account and used it to stir up trouble there. I can only speculate as to why. The same thing happened to Spark a few days ago.

I don't doubt that he's decent and honest. It's still strange that somebody is mod on both forums.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 04:43 PM

Aside from funderbunked, no one here cares that Thomas777, Ahknaton, or Helios are super moderators at The phøra. That means they have the power to prune threads. It's not like they are lords of the universe.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 04:46 PM

SHouldn't this thread be public?

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 05:03 PM

Consider merging this with the already existing public thread, and then deleting my post...

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 05:29 PM

I moved it back. If anyone else wants to spend time on these losers, feel free to do so. They have caused me enough problems over the past several years.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 05:34 PM

I still think we should ban every single one of them.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 05:36 PM

I still think we should ban every single one of them.
We've binged on these freeloaders for far too long. Time for an old fashioned purge.

Chapaev

12-11-2007, 05:58 PM

Recently at the phøra I was banned for allegedly posting gay porn. However, someone whom I presume to be Stan logged into my account in order to get me banned which I see no need for because I had seldom visited the phøra in recent months. The behavior of Stan or whoever framed me is reprehensible.

Manifest Destiny

12-11-2007, 06:03 PM

Well, maybe you should forbid your "comrades" to admit hacking other people's email accounts if they didn't do it.

I remember very well what Ix wrote ("we have nothing against Starr personally"). Or do you want to say he never said they hacked her account?
Maybe I just dreamed it?I never said such a thing. Tell us where it was said, when it was said, and quote me saying it. You are either lying or you have a very defective memory.

Beria

12-11-2007, 06:03 PM

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 06:17 PM

Welcome to the club, Spark. They pulled the same act on many of us, even Beso's little brother who had been inactive for months. I guess they saw we have more active members than them and wanted to make it seem like their forum isn't dead. The funny thing is they claim to clamp down on dgeneracy and then cater to sodomites like Stuart_Love. :%

Was/is your password here the same as your phøra one?

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 06:45 PM

That's rather mild compared to the harassment that I have endured from these cretins.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 08:14 PM

Reopening.

I have calmed down. If someone accuses us of bayoneting Belgian babies on other forums, let us know.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 08:18 PM

I deleted that post about banning all Stumble Inn and phøra members. In hindsight, I reacted in anger and frustration. These people are going to attack us, gossip about us, libel us no matter what we do.

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 08:26 PM

We saw a thread Thomas posted at the phøra of an email impersonating Firezone staff. It claims we have paypal accounts, etc of phøra members. We are keen on hiring a lawyer if Overwatch doesn't admit he is doing this or in some way vindicate The Firezone (allowing him an out, basically).

This isn't funny anymore. We're rich college kids with parents who love us, Overwatch is an ex-WCOTC'er with a criminal record. We will take this to court and we will win.

EinsatzKommando

12-11-2007, 08:29 PM

This is a very serious, FEDERAL crime that could lead to trouble for us. OVERWATCH should publicly state it's not us, or we will pursue an alternative way to clear our names.

Metal Gear

12-11-2007, 08:32 PM

hmmmmm I don't mind the cyber thug image personally, but if others take action I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 08:34 PM

Whoever the fuck is doing this seriously needs to knock it off.

Effendi

12-11-2007, 08:39 PM

Really sorry to hear that others are intentionally causing trouble.

If there is anything that can be done to assist, let us know.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 08:40 PM

This isn't funny. I'm going to take a vacation from the internet until this nonsense ends.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 08:53 PM

Daniel Shays

12-11-2007, 08:55 PM

I never duplicate passwordsThomas, overwatch is playing with your account.

--

I'm considering shuttering the forum for a few days. Many of us have finals anyway.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 08:56 PM

I'm considering shuttering the forum for a few days. Many of us have finals anyway.

In the interest of security, I think that is a good idea. This is not cool at all.

Effendi

12-11-2007, 08:59 PM

I'm considering shuttering the forum for a few days. Many of us have finals anyway.

Well that sucks that you would have to do that but if it is necessary for security than you should do so.

Best of luck on any of you taking finals!!:)

interloper

12-11-2007, 09:03 PM

In the interest of security, I think that is a good idea. This is not cool at all.

Thomas, someone (maybe even yourself) is making posts on the phÃ¸ra claiming to have seen Firezone administrators admit to the "hackings". I suggest you investigate.

Edit: Oops, it seems that you have been banned again.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:07 PM

If crap like this continues, no one is going to post on ANY forum, and I will be the first to leave.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 09:07 PM

Thomas, someone (maybe even yourself) is making posts on the phÃ¸ra claiming to have seen Firezone administrators admit to the "hackings". I suggest you investigate.

No, I'm not going to ''investigate''. I don't play war games with internet cunts. The phøra allowed my acct. to be compromised, and its incumbant upon them to fix it.

I'm not comfortable with the fact that somebody, somewhere has enough of a hard on for me to impersonate me on the internet. Until this stops, I'm not posting anymore. If it doesn't stop, you won't see me again.

Best,

-Thomas

Manifest Destiny

12-11-2007, 09:08 PM

Thomas, someone (maybe even yourself) is making posts on the phÃ¸ra claiming to have seen Firezone administrators admit to the "hackings". I suggest you investigate.It is obviously not Thomas777 who wrote those words, nor anyone who has access to our private forums, for none of our private forums is called "The Moderator Lounge".

If one thing is for certain, it is that Thomas777 is completely innocent of this.

funderbunked

12-11-2007, 09:09 PM

Naw. Don't shut it down.

Just get an automated backup system and gauge it to, say, every 4 hours. That's what I do on mine.

Thomas777

12-11-2007, 09:12 PM

Please pass the word that I am (obviously) not the one posting on the phøra. I'm logging off now for the duration.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:14 PM

This is without a doubt the most pathetic episode that I have witnessed in SIX YEARS of posting to online messageboards.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:25 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Reichstagsbrand.jpg

The Reichstag fire was a pivotal event in the establishment of Nazi Germany (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Nazi_Germany). At 21:15 on the night of February 27 (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/February_27), 1933 (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/1933), a Berlin (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Berlin) fire station received an alarm call that the Reichstag building (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Reichstag_building), the assembly location of the German Parliament (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Reichstag_%28institution%29), was ablaze. The fire was started in the Session Chamber[1] (http://thefirezone.info/forum/#_note-0), and by the time the police and firemen arrived, the main Chamber of Deputies (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Chamber_of_Deputies) was in flames. Inside the building, the police quickly found a shirtless Marinus van der Lubbe (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Marinus_van_der_Lubbe). Van der Lubbe was a Dutch (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Netherlands) Jewish (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Jewish)[citation needed (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] insurrectionist council communist (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Council_communist) and unemployed (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Unemployment) bricklayer who had recently arrived in Germany (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Germany), ostensibly to carry out his political activities. The fire was used as evidence that the Communists were beginning a plot against the German government. Van der Lubbe and 4000 Communist (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Communist) leaders were arrested. Then-chancellor Adolf Hitler (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) urged President Hindenburg to pass an emergency decree in order to counter the "ruthless confrontation of the KPD".

Meanwhile, investigation of the Reichstag Fire continued, with the National Socialists (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/National_Socialists) eager to uncover Comintern (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Comintern) complicity. In early March 1933 (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/1933), three men were arrested who were to play pivotal roles during the Leipzig Trial (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Leipzig_Trial), known also as "Reichstag Fire Trial," namely three Bulgarians (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Bulgaria): Georgi Dimitrov (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Georgi_Dimitrov), Vasil Tanev and Blagoi Popov. The Bulgarians were known to the Prussian (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Prussia) police (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Police) as senior Comintern operatives, but the police had no idea how senior they were: Dimitrov was head of all Comintern operations in Western Europe (http://thefirezone.info/wiki/Europe).

Delta-9-THC

12-11-2007, 09:29 PM

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:30 PM

^^ You people have caused us enough problems for one day.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:52 PM

I'm taking a hiatus as well. I only register on forums with dummy email accts., I never duplicate passwords, and I regularly change my passwords, so my personal info has not been compromised, but its still damn unnerving that some miscreant would target me for this sort of abuse. I'm going to be off the boards for at least a few days until things cool off.

Starr wrote, at The phøra, 11-02-2007, 10:51 PM:

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.*************/forum/showpost.php?p=468419&postcount=1008

I used a password that I have used at a couple of other places. The one that I had here, though, was completely different.

Here is Spark:

Framed for Gay Porn

Recently at the phøra I was banned for allegedly posting gay porn. However, someone whom I presume to be Stan logged into my account in order to get me banned which I see no need for because I had seldom visited the phøra in recent months. The behavior of Stan or whoever framed me is reprehensible.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 09:54 PM

Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice ...

Queequeg

12-11-2007, 09:56 PM

and we take backups twice a day since Ahknaton made subtle threats against this board.
Simply because I could hack a board doesn't mean I will. It wasn't a threat. Don't go "hacking yourself" for dramatic effect and blaming it on me :D

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 10:10 PM

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3624/cardreichstagfirexj0.jpg

Beria

12-11-2007, 10:22 PM

Such blatant accusations go well beyond the acceptable realm of internet feuds. Now, apparently we're not only super-hackers, but criminals and frauds! This bullshit has gone far enough.

Hunter Wallace

12-11-2007, 10:50 PM

As noted above, I am going to stop actively posting until this whole charade blows over. In the meantime, I will work on the project mentioned earlier today. Posting on the internet isn't worth the gossip, libel, and harassment that I have to put up with on a daily basis now.

Signing out.

funderbunked

12-11-2007, 11:17 PM

I still think we should ban every single one of them.

Um...I've been saying this from the 1st day that I arrived at Firezone.

Fuck. It's been like speaking to a concrete block.

funderbunked

12-11-2007, 11:19 PM

We've binged on these freeloaders for far too long. Time for an old fashioned purge.

'bout time I got some respect. Been saying this since Day 1.

Active phøra posters must makes they choice.

(& don't believe "Niccolo"'s denials about having not written what was clearly present, then erased, in his post at phøra: He's a born-liar.)

interloper

12-11-2007, 11:49 PM

for none of our private forums is called "The Moderator Lounge".

You are quite astute, for I would never have noticedâ€”even when he mentioned it twice, and rather awkwardly at that. Why do you suppose he would do such a thingâ€”volunteer such information, wholly unnecessary, that would only further incriminate him? My hypothesis is that he is either young and therefore not very cautious, or perhaps he is not all that uncomfortable with the rest knowing the truth, and while he cannot admit it openly, does this so as to remove all shadow of doubt.

Queequeg

12-11-2007, 11:50 PM

'bout time I got some respect. Been saying this since Day 1.

Active phøra posters must makes they choice.
Go ahead and ban me then.

funderbunked

12-11-2007, 11:56 PM

Go ahead and ban me then.

I can't, but Admins might. We'll see.

Helios Panoptes

12-12-2007, 04:25 AM

Ymir

12-12-2007, 04:54 AM

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 07:54 AM

Starr and Thomas777 both used different passwords at The Firezone. Whoever "hacked" The phøra could not possibly have acquired that information here. The Retard, who hasn't signed up at The Firezone (that account is an archive dummy I created), was also hacked back in October and was trotted out again for this latest incident.

Now, whoever is doing this has been playing around with Starr's phøra account, Thomas777's phøra account, Daniel Shay's phøra account, The Retard's phøra account, Spark's phøra account, Mazdak's phøra account, Lieutenant William Bligh's phøra account, Berianidze's little brother's phøra account, etc. Niccolo claims that someone recently tampered with his phøra account.

So, we are dealing with either 1.) an omnipotent hacker who has cracked phøra security at least half a dozen times now or 2.) someone over there with administrator access is simply using the vB Admin panel to play around with passwords and maximize hysteria while minimizing damage. Which is the most likely scenario?

In the aftermath of the last incident, the grand announcement was made that everyone should change passwords because The Firezone is a "password harvesting operation." OVERWATCH was already over at Stumble Inn accusing us of a complex technical procedure ... before we even knew what was going on. We had simply received a link to a download of their Mod Lounge like lots of people. He knew we would take the bait because we had been posting transcripts from there in October. Well, it has since happened again, and this time to Thomas777 who wasn't even using the same password here.

This so-called "hacker" goes over there, sabotages a handful of threads, and then "announces" to everyone that he is Daniel Shays. Last time it happened, Shays account mysteriously came back to life and was used to post a few threads there. My account was unbanned. Yesterday evening, a mass email was sent around in our name claiming that we have names, addresses, credit card numbers, etc.

We can safely rule out a third party because a real hacker would not have acted in such a manner. It certainly wasn't us because it is our reputation that is being dragged through the gutter. We're being framed as the perpetrators. Several people have suggested it was Ix and Kane. That doesn't make sense. If either Ix or Kane had really hacked The phøra, they would have used their power to prune their enemies like Jake Featherston and Pracownik stal.

This wasn't the most retarded hack in history. It has to be either OVERWATCH, Stan, or Ebusitanus. I doubt it was Ebusitanus because this would have been extremely out of character for him. Chances are he was left completely in the dark. That leaves us with Stan and OVERWATCH.

Stan admitted in their Mod Lounge that he was thinking about "sabotaging" Mazdak's account in such a fashion. The goal was to destroy his reputation, make him look like a liar, find an excuse to get rid of him. It's true that he was overruled by OVERWATCH, at least publically, but that comment is suggestive. Personally, I have a hard time believing it is Stan because he hasn't appeared on other websites attacking us.

- Who is obsessed with us? OVERWATCH.
- Who bitches and whines about us every single day on other websites? OVERWATCH.
- Who has refused to normalize relations between our two forums? OVERWATCH.
- Who benefits from smearing The Firezone and Daniel Shays? OVERWATCH.
- Who had the access and opportunity to do these hacks? OVERWATCH.
- Who is petty enough to harass people in real life and attempt to destroy their reputation? OVERWATCH.
- Who would care that Thomas777 or Macrobius are posting here? OVERWATCH.

Let's assume it is OVERWATCH for the sake of argument. Why would he do this? Because it worked last time and most people believed him. He takes a backup, savages his own database, and then immediately uploads the backup the next morning. This poor victim has "saved" everyone from Daniel Shays, Fade, and The Firezone.

This is speculation. Still, it is the most plausible explanation. Either you are dealing with super hackers with an axe to grind against The Firezone, who are simultaneously incredibly retarded, or OVERWATCH is Tawana Brawley.

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 08:44 AM

I've just spent my first hour awake reading all this drama.

I go to work in ten minutes, and my official statement is: I am 99% certain no one from the Firezone hacked the phøra. I would bet it was an inside operation designed to gain sympathy. It's been done before.

Certain admins at the phøra are the lowest of the low. Anyone who doesn't admit this is either a part of their scheming or an utter moron.

I support Fade's earlier statement. Ban anyone who posts at the phøra. They're either going to stir up trouble, or they're so obtuse they'd be of no value to what we're trying to create here.

I don't have time for this kind of drama. This is the reason I quit internet forums 2 years ago. I will continue ignoring the phøra's existence and all the petty things that occur there. Everyone else needs to do the same.

I said yesterday that we should wait at least 24 hours before responding. You're right. We don't have time for this bullshit. The only way to end this soap opera once and for all, which will be perpetuated at other sites, is a permanent break.

I don't want to spend 2008 arguing with these people, thinking about them, constantly bothered with phøra gossip, responding to absurd accusations from the lowlifes who post over there. I have wasted enough of my time and money on these people over the past six years. In return, I have gotten nothing but grief for it all.

My last project was derailed after I got sucked back into the middle of their swamp. That can't be allowed to happen here.

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 08:57 AM

See my "No More Games" thread in Announcements.

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 09:00 AM

I just banned most of them. As for the rest, I will take care of them later. I don't think anyone who cross posts to The phøra or Stumble Inn should be welcome here.

Daniel Shays

12-12-2007, 09:21 AM

Nailz got nailed and Ahk's been sacked. Who wants some?

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 09:29 AM

The following accounts have been banned:

Angler
Aule
Brandon Orr
Captain America
Carrigan
cerberus
cowcube
Dinosaurus Sex
Ebusitanus
Edana
Geist
Hakluyt
Helios Panoptes
Hugh Jorgen
Il Ragno
Imperialiste
Intrepid
Julian Lee
Keystone
Mike
Mr O'Reilly
Nailz
O'Zebedee
otto_von_bismarck
OVERWATCH
Petr
Phantasm
Pracownik stal
Pvt. Jaybird
Venus
Queequeg
Samuel Guthrie
Sarah
Scryllak
Stan
Starr
Sulla the Dictator
The Retard
Timo
Tranny Featherston
Vindex
Wolverine

That takes care of most of them. There are lots of others. I think we should ban all phøra and Stumble Inn members. Otherwise, their ridiculous soap opera/drama/vendetta will keep spilling over here.

Daniel Shays

12-12-2007, 09:33 AM

Let's give them a day (today) to get banned from the phøra. Same goes for Stumbleinn, excluding Pasdaran who enjoys diplomatic immunity. I'm sick to death of this backbiting inbred e-community anyway. We need freshblood, the vendettas and inside jokes scare off new members. Staff has a one day grace period where not getting banned @ the phøra results only in temporary demoderation - their position is reattained after being banned at the phøra. If after two days no action has been taken, ex-staff will be banned from here.

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 09:42 AM

Hippias

12-12-2007, 09:43 AM

I have already been banned from the phøra.

Daniel Shays

12-12-2007, 09:44 AM

Do you plan on getting banned at the phÃ¸ra, niccolo? If not, just tell us now so we can get your ban over with. They've accused us of stealing credit card information, we can't tolerate crossposters any longer.

Beria

12-12-2007, 09:45 AM

Beria

12-12-2007, 09:46 AM

I have already been banned from the phøra.

Are you sure? I'm looking at your profile right now.

Hippias

12-12-2007, 09:47 AM

I think they have banned my IP address. I haven't been able to view the phøra since it was hacked.

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 09:47 AM

We've managed to attract the most worthwhile posters from these boards that we could possibly hope for (at least the ones who are going to behave themselves). We have no reason to put up with anymore of this nonsense. Libelous claims of false e-mails sent out by US alleging that we are the ones responsible for not only hacking the phøra, but also data-mining sensitive information on members is absurd and dangerous. We haven't the time or energy here for that and frankly, the presence of such people who want to entertain such ideas or question our integrity need not post here to begin with.

I think there is more than enough justification in not allowing people making those accusations to post here.

However, the "bridge-burning" strategy of forcing individuals to choose one side or the other when they aren't interested in choosing is a bit extreme and will only alienate the dreaded neutrals in this affair.

Simple game theory.

Beria

12-12-2007, 09:49 AM

I think they have banned my IP address. I haven't been able to view the phøra since it was hacked.

Well your account doesn't appear to be banned at all. Your name is still in the "Established Users" group with the green-font, there is no other indication that you have been "damned."

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 09:54 AM

This "Clean Break Strategy" - Project for a New Firezone Millenium means that this site is going to have to find a new pool of members...a pool that hasn't frequented the orbit of traditional racialist/extremist sites from where the bulk of the membership has originated.

That won't be a problem. OCD was thriving before I let these bloodsucking parasites drag me down. I have spent the last several months "responding" to their nonsense. These guttersnipes are trying to destroy The Firezone in a similar fashion.

We're talking about excluding a few hundred people at most for personal reasons. The vast majority of them are useless. Most racialists, socialists, libertarians, communists, Muslims, Christians, etc. have never posted at either of these sites and have no interest in doing so.

Maguire

12-12-2007, 09:55 AM

Niccolo. Choose which forum now.

Hippias

12-12-2007, 09:56 AM

Well your account doesn't appear to be banned at all. Your name is still in the "Established Users" group with the green-font, there is no other indication that you have been "damned."

I have not been able to view the phøra, even as a guest, since the hack occurred, while everyone else I have communicated with has been able to. What else could the explanation be?

Beria

12-12-2007, 09:57 AM

I have not been able to view the phøra, even as a guest, since the hack occurred, while everyone else I have communicated with has been able to. What else could the explanation be?

I was not accusing you of dishonesty or deceitfulness. Simply pointing out this peculiarity. I do not know. Perhaps you could resolve this by having a friend on the phøra communicate this to the administrators.

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 10:01 AM

Most racialists, socialists, libertarians, communists, Muslims, Christians, etc. have never posted at either of these sites and have no interest in doing so.

And naturally the trick will be in attracting this large segment to this site.

Are you sure you want to force neutrals to pick one side or the other, fade? You might be acting hastily and might regret this in a few days. Belligerents, of course, are a totally different matter.

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 10:07 AM

Daniel Shays

12-12-2007, 10:09 AM

Furthermore:

I notice that Pasdaran has been granted "dipomatic immunity".

Will Thomas777 be also granted "diplomatic immunity" and be allowed to post at both sites?

What are the criteria for "diplomatic immunity" to be granted?
It's for people who don't trash us on other boards and then lie about it. In other words, you're ineligible.

--

Numerous posters here have kept themselves above the fray. Marinesko is a shining example, he hasn't once gotten involved in the drama and has carried on weaving old threads into the tapestry of this forum by replying to them. Members who are thriving on this drama will be removed, permanently.

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 10:10 AM

It's for people who don't trash us on other boards and then lie about it. In other words, you're ineligible.

That's quite interesting...especially in light of my defense of you re: the hack from two days ago.

Poor form, Daniel....poor form.

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 10:12 AM

I'm sick to death of this backbiting inbred e-community anyway. We need freshblood, the vendettas and inside jokes scare off new members.

I hate them. I must have spent something like $1,000 to $1,500 over a period of four years on these people. No one invested more of their time, energy, and money in building up that site than I did. I was the one who put up with all the harassment in real life, the shitty hosts over the years, who had to micromanage their ridiculous interpersonal feuds.

Meanwhile, these parasites have nothing better to do than to slander me every single day, drag my name through the mud, attempt to out me in real life, libel me ... over, over, and over again. Who wouldn't be outraged by that?

Berianidze is right. We don't need these people. The only ones worth redeeming from The phøra are here now. As for the rest, I wish them well, but we can't constantly be distracted by drama stirred up on other websites anymore.

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 10:20 AM

Question @Feyd:

Am I gonna have to choose one site over the other?

(think carefully about this one now)

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 10:24 AM

An entirely apropos graphic:

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/Images/Damocles.jpg

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 10:25 AM

Are you sure you want to force neutrals to pick one side or the other, fade? You might be acting hastily and might regret this in a few days. Belligerents, of course, are a totally different matter.

I have pulled out enough knives in my back. It's time for us to move on. And besides, I can't think of many people who I desire to interact with (i.e., Wehrmacht, friedrich braun, zusammen, LaundryBob, Guessedworker) who still post at either of these websites.

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 10:28 AM

It's time for us to move on.

I guess i need to ask, who is this "us"? I've been given an ultimatum by two administrators here at the firezone.

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 11:02 AM

Basically, we're tired of interacting with The phøra crowd and desire to wash our hands of them. We tried to normalize relations between the two forums. They refused. Now, they have descended to the point of criminal libel.

This soap opera ends now. The only way to end it forever is to separate ourselves from these people and move on. We're going to lose a lot of members because of this. In the long run, it will be a net gain because we will attract new members once our attention turns back to other matters, and these will have no interest in the current drama.

We're the ones who built The phøra in the first place. It will take a few years, but we will build a new one. How many times have we done this now?

macrobius

12-12-2007, 11:09 AM

Hi. I was invited to post here by several members of this forum. It was known that I post at the phøra when I was. I am not taking sides in this drama, and frankly do not believe the conspiracy theories on either side.

I don't intend to stop posting on the phøra just because slanders are hurled, recklessly, by unstable persons, here, on the phøra, and every other forum on the internet.

I have good reason to post wherever I post, and it is none of your business where and why I do. I hate the miscreants who do this sort of thing, and I will advise any admin on any of the fora how to assess data useful in catching them, how and where to file complaints, and how to recover.

As I said in my initial post -- if you wish to play these games, then ban me and I won't bother with you. Personally, I would like to stay here and post at will, but I certainly won't bother if ultimatums are issued to me.

If you invite people to post and then ban them, no one will take you seriously.

For God's sake men, learn some stability and grow up.

niccolo and donkey

12-12-2007, 11:11 AM

As I said in my initial post -- if you wish to play these games, then ban me and I won't bother with you. Personally, I would like to stay here and post at will, but I certainly won't bother if ultimatums are issued to me.

If you invite people to post and then ban them, no one will take you seriously.

Well put and to the point. Rep headed your way.

interloper

12-12-2007, 11:20 AM

Hi. I was invited to post here by several members of this forum. It was known that I post at the phøra when I was. I am not taking sides in this drama, and frankly do not believe the conspiracy theories on either side.

The same is true for me. I would like to contribute to this forum, whenever an interesting thread appears and I enjoy reading certain posters here—however, I will not participate in this inane internet drama besides a few posts here or there. Truly, it does not so much as interest me who this hacker is, unless my personal information is compromised but I have taken measures to ensure that this will not be the case.

So, I will make your life easier. I will not get myself banned from the phÃ¸ra. If I choose to stop posting at the phÃ¸ra, this will be because of lack of interest.

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 11:29 AM

Macrobius,

We're sick of these games. I don't think you have witnessed the arena where most of it has played out. This site was launched on Halloween. Since that time, the administrators, moderators, and members of The phøra have spent every single day attacking us over at Stumble Inn.

This has forced us to do the following:

1.) Close this forum to guests.
2.) Close this forum to proxies.
3.) Ban a dozen or so accounts.

We have tried ignoring them. We offered to unban their accounts if they would simply stop antagonizing us and agree to forget about their soap opera. The harassment has continued though, non-stop, round-the-clock, every single day right down to the present.

They're now accusing us of data mining credit card information over there. This soap opera has spiraled out of control, to the point of absurdity, and we can longer afford to be bothered with it.

It's truly ridiculous that we are sitting here every day now discussing who-did-what-to-who or who-said-this-or-that. When I was blogging at Occidental Dissent, I didn't have this problem until phøra members started showing up on my website, baiting me to respond to them.

Just when I had escaped, I was sucked back right back into the middle of it, dragged right down into the muck. All I know is that these people seem to cause me nothing but problems. I can't put up with them anymore.

Do you have a better idea? We seem to have tried everything.

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 11:50 AM

I'm finished with the past. There are a grand total of 139 active members of Stumble Inn, 361 active members of The phøra. Of these, the vast majority are worthless, hostiles, have no intention of ever posting here, or post exclusively about drama. With few exceptions, all the Stumble Inn members have phøra accounts.

It's the crossover in membership which perpetuates this soap opera. Until we separate ourselves from The phøra once and for all, they will only continue to drag us down. So we lose a few of our members. Things slow down.

Some pariahs of the internet we are. We're cutting our ties with a few dozen people at most. The vast majority of active phøra members have no idea this site even exists.

How much more of our time are we going to spend interacting with and responding to these guttersnipes? Millions of people surf the internet. All we need is a solid core of posters and an influx of new members to put together a stable forum.

In the long run, getting rid of these people, ignoring them, quitting responding to them will be the best decision we ever made.

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 11:52 AM

It would be more effective than resorting to the legal process.

Apocales

12-12-2007, 11:54 AM

I try to stay clear of these feuds, but for the simple fact you say I am not allowed to post at phøra (which itself sucks), or Stumble Inn(my home forum) looks like my days are numbered. I don't post a lot and it really isn't going to daze me too much. So I bid ye farewell. Good luck.

macrobius

12-12-2007, 12:02 PM

I've given my advice: ignore it. Even the slander. It takes will power to ignore such stuff, but if people can get a rise out of you, they will use that weakness to get at you -- and the more you resent it, the more weakness you show, the more they will pick on you. There seems to be a law on the internet that 20 and 30 somethings revert to age 9 as soon as they get the clock of anonymity.

The internet is not face-to-face. Face to face, if someone says something about you, and you can't bear it, you can challenge them to a fight if you like, or turn them into the police if it is verbal assault or libel. Over the internet, the same words are just that -- words.

Responding to taunts by your inferiors, such as the hackers', only invites more taunts, because words are just words and they are quite cheap in cyberspace. A weak person can play that game all day, from behind an anonymous proxy.

You can't be an Aristocrat and simultaneously go around hurling insults at the peasants. You either have to rise above it, maintain a certain distance, and ignore it, or you *will* be dragged down into the dirt. Taking 50 friends out back behind the chemical shed and putting a bullet in them to show you're tough won't save you from that fate -- it will encourage more attacks to achieve similar effects, until you are destroyed. Demanding blind loyalty to your person (delivered anonymously over the internet, of course) will not save you from that fate. Friendship and loyalty require, in the last analysis, a face to face community. If one finds it at all on the internet, it is a sign of superiority on the part of those who are capable of projecting virtue into a medium that is, quite palpably, not conducive to it.

I have to run on to work now. I'll check in later to see how things are going.

All the best,

-Macrobius

Hunter Wallace

12-12-2007, 12:24 PM

No one here is demanding "blind loyalty" or anything resembling that. Ideological diversity is something we would like to encourage here. What is intolerable is the personal harassment, libel, and trolling that emanates from a single source and which has disrupted this forum for almost two months now.

The cause of this is the crossover in membership between The Firezone, The phøra, and Stumble Inn. Those who do not hail from The phøra or Stumble Inn, which constitutes everyone surfing the internet minus 360 individuals and falling, have no interest in this soap opera. We can't attract new members to The Firezone so long as have to spend all our time responding to guttersnipes like il ragno and their old feuds.

An analogy can be drawn here to a swamp or a polluted stream. Should we continue to dip from a poisoned well, ruining our health in the process, simply out of habit? Why not create a new community instead where we don't have to waste our time on these problems?