Thoughts on Soviet Communism...

[Thomas777]

Antiyuppie's posting of the Yockey essay prompted me to pose this question:

Have you ever thought about the peculiar hatred of Soviet style Communism that defined the Nationalist Right for two generations? In many ways, the USSR was a "national Bolshevik" police state and not a Marxist experiment. Concepts such as "diversity", "women's liberation", and racial egalitarianism never found a home in the USSR...in fact, the opposite was true.

One would think that Rightists (especially those with NS sympathies) would consider the cosmopolitan democracies to be far more decadent, effeminate, and cancerous than the USSR.

Thoughts?

[Petr]

I read from somewhere that in 1990s Western Capitalism did more damage to the Estonian cultural life in 5 years than Soviet Communism did in 50 years...

Perhaps Communist occupation was to some degree a blessing in disguise for Eastern Europe - for a long time, they were not exposed to Hollywood filth, mass immigration and such stuff.


Petr

[Snouter]

Petr, what psychotic wrote the commentary you are alluding to? How can the author rationalize that Hollywood garbage which merely stagnates a society has had a more detrimental effect than the deaths of 50 to 100 million victims of Soviet derived Communism?

[Thomas777]

I think that the Soviet system was an abomination. However, I'm not a Nazi. I find it a bit odd when I hear guys who:

1) favor the extermination of undesirable racial elements
2) Support the establishement of an autocratic, totalitarian party-state
3) condone the police state apparatus of Nazi Germany

turn around and talk about Stalinists as if they are their mortal enemies. National Socialists would find themselves at home (and many did!) in a place like the USSR of the 1950s. It was a massive, fundamentally anti-semitic, Nationalist police state. Why is such a system offensive to Nazi (or even Nationalist) sensibilities?

[Edana]

I don't consider a State at war with its own people to be true to any real Nationalist sensibilities.

[Thomas777]

I agree. However, I fail to see how such a system is a greater threat to Nationalism than a cosmopolitan, borderless, Empire that is ruled by for-profit international corporations.

[Landser]

The USSR actively exported Russian culture. In Kazakhstan for example, the people are now 70% ethnically Russian. The locals had their customs destroyed and were urbanized. No more yurts, get with the soviet way of things.

While Western Europe were importing non-whites from former colonies, we were White Washing ours.

We pwn3d estona/latvia/lithuania into absorbing our culture even. Not marxism or egalitarianism but Russian nationalism.

[Manifest Destiny]

Petr, what psychotic wrote the commentary you are alluding to? How can the author rationalize that Hollywood garbage which merely stagnates a society has had a more detrimental effect than the deaths of 50 to 100 million victims of Soviet derived Communism?
I see you didn't forget your ever truthful, non-exaggerating, free-from-propaganda U.S. history books.

[Petr]

In fact, responsible estimates for the combined human losses because of Communism in Europe and USSR (Mao Zedong, Pol Pot etc. not included) range between 20 and 30 millions.

After the death of Stalin, even Gulag turned into a lot less deadlier place than it was before.


Petr

[Edana]

Switzerland is also relatively conservative, and it's actually a prosperous place that people would want to stay in, unlike the former Soviet states.

I think everyone should take off the ideological sunglasses for a moment and ask yourself if you really would like the massive deaths, jailing, and confiscation of property for ideals you don't even agree with as an alternative to your situation right now.

[otto_von_bismarck]

Thanks for articulating the common sense I couldn't inject into this idiocy.

Yes yes the Soviet states had less popular degeneracy( saw the Rumanian jew prof today he said homosexuality was unheard of in commie romania) but popular degeneracy is better then being a total slave drone in the commie hive state.

[Marlaud]

Antiyuppie's posting of the Yockey essay prompted me to pose this question:

Have you ever thought about the peculiar hatred of Soviet style Communism that defined the Nationalist Right for two generations? In many ways, the USSR was a "national Bolshevik" police state and not a Marxist experiment. Concepts such as "diversity", "women's liberation", and racial egalitarianism never found a home in the USSR...in fact, the opposite was true.

One would think that Rightists (especially those with NS sympathies) would consider the cosmopolitan democracies to be far more decadent, effeminate, and cancerous than the USSR.

Thoughts?
This is a half-truth. It is certain that many American "conservatives" were paranoid anticommunist (thanks to MacCarthy), but in Europe the things were not this way, while liberal and religious "conservatives" hated the USSR and they loved America, there are others that had a less negative opinion of Her, Julius Evola, Jean Thiriart, Alain de Benoist, Guillaume Faye, Armin Molher, Ernst Jünger, among others considered USSR less destructive than America. The same thing it can say of interwar writters like Oswald Spengler, Arthur Van der Bruck, the Spaniard Ramiro Ledesma and Ernst Nietkisch. All they considered that the liberal western democracy was more destructive than Russian Bolshevism.

It is true that the USSR imposed its rude tyranny on Eastern Europe, but America imposed a more dangerous tyranny, one of spiritual and cultural kind, while USSR oppressed the Europeans physically, America do it cultural and spiritually, transforming them into stupid consumers and Americanized passive bourgeoise.

[Manifest Destiny]

Antiyuppie's posting of the Yockey essay prompted me to pose this question:

Have you ever thought about the peculiar hatred of Soviet style Communism that defined the Nationalist Right for two generations? In many ways, the USSR was a "national Bolshevik" police state and not a Marxist experiment. Concepts such as "diversity", "women's liberation", and racial egalitarianism never found a home in the USSR...in fact, the opposite was true.
Nationalism and Marxism are not mutually exclusive. The basis of Marxist internationalism has been nationalism and patriotism, nationalism providing the emotional incentive for the liberation of the people from capitalism or foreign domination in national liberation struggles. This has been the case with almost every workers' revolution since 1917.

The Juche form of Marxism is antithetical to cultural pluralism in every manifestation. The Juche Idea of self-reliance clarifies the necessity of exulting cultural traditions and stifling the deleterious effects of ideological and cultural poisoning.

Whereas liberal democracies thrive on multiculturalism, it has been Marxist states which have thwarted the penetration of foreign culture and the vicious moves of US ideological poisoning in particular. It has also been Marxists - and not the far-right - who have effectively stood in the way of Jewish internationalism and zionist geopolitical goals (i.e. conquering the Middle East, and eventually the entire world).

[Ymir]

In fact, responsible estimates for the combined human losses because of Communism in Europe and USSR (Mao Zedong, Pol Pot etc. not included) range between 20 and 30 millions.

How can Communism kill people? Communism is an idea.

[Petr]

- "How can Communism kill people? Communism is an idea."

Ideas have consequences, moron. Fascism was also just "an idea."


Petr

[Ymir]

Ideas have consequences, moron. Fascism was also just "an idea."

I repeat, Communism never killed anyone. Neither did Fascism. Please do not be offensive or I will be forced to notify an administrator.

[Landser]

Wow its a miracle, Ix made more sense than everyone else combined. Slava Tovarishu Ix!!

[Cmde. Slavyanski]

Petr, what psychotic wrote the commentary you are alluding to? How can the author rationalize that Hollywood garbage which merely stagnates a society has had a more detrimental effect than the deaths of 50 to 100 million victims of Soviet derived Communism?


Please cite demographic evidence to support those numbers. Keep in mind also, that that is a pretty wide gap between 50 and 100 million.

[Cmde. Slavyanski]

- "How can Communism kill people? Communism is an idea."

Ideas have consequences, moron. Fascism was also just "an idea."


Petr

A guy as fanatical about Christianity as you ought not be talking about body counts of socialism- or any ideology for that matter.

[Apocales]

Hey JP watch out. This is a restored thread over 3 years old, and most posters from it aren't here.

[Cmde. Slavyanski]

Hey JP watch out. This is a restored thread over 3 years old, and most posters from it aren't here.


Well they know what they do....