Feyd on il ragno

[Hunter Wallace]

. . . every so often, he makes a good point. I found this one in my Inbox under "LOL."

il ragno is a shit-stirrer, and he loves it. No one has more delusions of his own importance as an internet maven than il ragno.

Have you noticed that he travels from board to board with the same provoking posts about who's nuts and delusional with the same relish? The same gossip rag stuff all over the place. It's weird.

He's got the turn of phrase to keep people repping him, but it's like the online version of the National Enquirer.

[Hunter Wallace]

Here's my review of him.

The King of the Lounge ceased to be funny like 5 years ago. This old fart seems to have no other purpose in life than to recycle old jokes before a peanut gallery of morons (think here of Featherston with that ridiculous cross-eyed avatar). Hangs out with college kids and teenagers three score his junior. Has been nursing a grievance against FDR ever since the Great Depression.

il ragno is a complete Lounge act who has read every comic book in existence. Disrupts every thread he posts in to draw irrelevant allusions to his repertoire of low budget movies no one who still has hair has ever heard of. Has a black belt in useless information.

A dishonest habitual liar, a petty whining gossiper, a pushy ingrate who lacks manners, a senile hypocrite, a bandwidth sucking parasite, an overrated cultureless boob who hangs out there 24/7 to accumulate green reputation points in his User CP ... how tired I was of his aggravating, chalkboard scratching, nasal, Italian/Jew/Yank slapstick.

An utterly sleazy greaseball who doesn't seem to know much of anything. He attempts to compensate for this by trying to turn every thread into a punchline, which isn't so much funny as it is annoying, and by concocting longwinded, time-wasting posts (silliness + stupidity x italics/ irrelevant information) devoid of thoughtful insights.

Doesn't seem to have any ideas. Positively hates those who are brighter and more educated than he is. Can't follow abstract discussions because he lacks the intelligence, training, and curiosity to do so. Hell, even his memory is fading out.

I lost count of the number of times over the years I have rolled my eyes after reading his usual material. There he goes again. Eventually, I learned to tune him out altogether.

il ragno is nothing more than a colorful version of the gutter racist. He is as crude and infantile as any 'Dirty Mike' character that I have come across. Imagine a Lounge driven by Darwinian natural selection: you would see him emerge naturally on top.

I can only imagine what he is like in real life. Not someone I would ever associate with.

[Hunter Wallace]

A response to ironweed in the Niccolo thread:

Funny, b/c I also happen to like ragno and jaybird, though this aspect of their personality, I just don't get.

il ragno has done this several times now. You have to remember that he is a shit stirrer, an ingrate, and an attention whore. He is one of those people who cannot stand the spotlight being on anyone else. I haven't encountered anyone on the internet with a more inflated sense of their self importance.

I still don't know the details of the situation, but I am confident that's why he turned on Niccolo and roused other people to do so. I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. It is perfectly in line with his character (or lack thereof). He did the same thing to Texas Dissident before he washed up on The phøra. It wasn't long after that episode when he arrived at The phøra and started the same bullshit with me (which he has perpetuated for years now).

il ragno resents people who are more intelligent, educated, ambitious or successful in life than himself, largely for self esteem reasons. If the spotlight shines on others, even for a moment, it ceases to feed the vanity of il ragno, which explains his regular outbursts of petty viciousness which he clumsily attempts to disguise with slapstick humor. It took me many years to realize this, but he is more trouble than he is worth.

In this way, we are exact opposites: most people who fit our profile (and I don't count 'il ragno' amongst this group, as he has never demonstrated any capacity for abstract thought) enjoy the company of others like themselves. That's why The phøra became such a popular and successful forum and survived for years in spite of the hacks. There was no other forum quite like it on the internet.

It also explains why it is dying today.

il ragno doesn't care about this because the only reason he comes online is to crack jokes before his usual peanut gallery of morons. His ideal would be for The phøra to be populated by a 1,000 - 1,500 members of below average intelligence who post exclusively to the Lounge, laugh at all his recycled jokes, and he send him green reputation points in his User CP.

He is such a woman in this way. When I was an administrator over there, one of my favorite hobbies was browsing the Who's Online list, waiting for il ragno to come online, and observing his behavior. Sure enough, he goes directly to his User CP to check the latest status of his reputation points, as if he was carefully tracking a financial portfolio. And then, to the Lounge!

You will find that he doesn't frequent locales where this sort of outlet doesn't exist. He may show up to drop the occasional 'nigger' or 'Jew', but his sojourn into the thoughtful realm is always brief, and even then hardly serious.

[Il Ragno]

You have some nerve posting here. Isn't it obvious that you're not wanted?

- Feyd

[Hunter Wallace]

Can one of the many Torah members who regularly browse The Firezone via Anonymouse cross post the review above for il ragno's benefit?

[Wolverine]

I would love to hear il ragno's side, but alas, that is not allowed here. I understand you want to have the final word, but the fact you want him to read what you wrote without reading what he has to say about you is cowardly. Be a man, Feyd, and let the man talk.

[Maguire]

I would love to hear il ragno's side, but alas, that is not allowed here. I understand you want to have the final word, but the fact you want him to read what you wrote without reading what he has to say about you is cowardly. Be a man, Feyd, and let the man talk.

While I agree that it is a shame that this is one sided, i'm not interested in inviting any more subversives into this forum, and Il Fagno is just that.

[Hunter Wallace]

I would love to hear il ragno's side, but alas, that is not allowed here. I understand you want to have the final word, but the fact you want him to read what you wrote without reading what he has to say about you is cowardly. Be a man, Feyd, and let the man talk.

Normally, I would agree, but we have adopted a rule that covers his case: those who libel our forum elsewhere are not serious about joining our community. If his grievance were merely personal, I would have no objection to him posting here.

il ragno lobbied on other forums to have most of us banned. He certainly wasn't interested in hearing our side of the story there. Why should he be allowed to use this website to slander everyone who posts here?

[Hippias]

In this way, we are exact opposites: most people who fit our profile (and I don't count 'il ragno' amongst this group, as he has never demonstrated any capacity for abstract thought) enjoy the company of others like themselves.

I don't have a problem with il Ragno, and I don't want to pick sides between the two of you. However, one thing that you've highlighted about him that I have also noticed is that he never engages anyone with whom he disagrees in point-by-point rebuttals. With il Ragno, it's always sarcasm and dismissive one-liners, never rational, logical arguments. Case in point: in a thread in the economics forum at the phøra three weeks ago, he kept responding to Kamandi with sarcastic quips like, "Yeah Kamandi, just keep telling us how great the economy is doing." On another occasion, after I had opined that WFHermans is an unfunny vulgarian, he wrote "If you weren't laughing at WFHermans, congratulations, because you were the only one in the room who wasn't." He said something similar last week about the critics of meth-addled pervert Featherston. He said something like, if don't like him you're a fag.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm not attacking him. I think il Ragno is a very funny and gifted stylist; he certainly puts me to shame in that department. I just find it peculiar that every single post of his is dripping with sarcasm and cynicism.

[Thomas777]

Its poor form to attack a man's character when he isn't present to defend himself. If IR is to be excluded, that is fine, but his character shouldn't be attacked without affording him an opportunity to rebut the allegations. This is the last I'll say of it, but I think threads of this nature about excluded members reflect poorly on the Firezone and should not be encouraged.

[funderbunked]

Its poor form to attack a man's character when he isn't present to defend himself. If IR is to be excluded, that is fine, but his character shouldn't be attacked without affording him an opportunity to rebut the allegations. This is the last I'll say of it, but I think threads of this nature about excluded members reflect poorly on the Firezone and should not be encouraged.

Doesn't seem to stop phøra phags, where we are "excluded."

Oh, wait: You're a Moderator (or SuperMod) at both. :%

[Maguire]

Its poor form to attack a man's character when he isn't present to defend himself. If IR is to be excluded, that is fine, but his character shouldn't be attacked without affording him an opportunity to rebut the allegations. This is the last I'll say of it, but I think threads of this nature about excluded members reflect poorly on the Firezone and should not be encouraged.

Thomas, you may not remember the spirit of the old hell forum- but this was it presicely. Say anything you want and all that, no limits or bounds. so while normally i would agree, this is in the spirit of the Firezone as it stood.

[Thomas777]

Doesn't seem to stop phøra phags, where we are "excluded."

Oh, wait: You're a Moderator (or SuperMod) at both. :%

That's right, and I don't talk smack about people when they aren't present to advocate in their own defense.

If Feyd has an issue with Il Ragno, he should take it up with him man to man and allow him an opportunity for rebuttal. Better yet, we all should put an end to petty ''forum wars'' and cease personal attacks upon opponents.

[funderbunked]

That's right, and I don't talk smack about people when they aren't present to advocate in their own defense.

If Feyd has an issue with Il Ragno, he should take it up with him man to man and allow him an opportunity for rebuttal. Better yet, we all should put an end to petty ''forum wars'' and cease personal attacks upon opponents.

Solly. HeLL Forum is what it is. Don't like it/don't browse.

[Thomas777]

Thomas, you may not remember the spirit of the old hell forum- but this was it presicely. Say anything you want and all that, no limits or bounds. so while normally i would agree, this is in the spirit of the Firezone as it stood.

If you (or anybody else) wants to flame Il Ragno, do so to your heart's content, but afford him an opportunity to respond. The old phøra didn't exclude people from the Hell forum to prevent them from returning fire.

[Thomas777]

Solly. HeLL Forum is what it is. Don't like it/don't browse.

The Hell Forum is a place for one-sided flaming? That is pretty lame.

[funderbunked]

If you (or anybody else) wants to flame Il Ragno, do so to your heart's content, but afford him an opportunity to respond. The old phøra didn't exclude people from the Hell forum to prevent them from returning fire.

Give a message to "Stan" and "88Flak," et al.: Reverse the ban on some Firezone folk and mebbe the Admins here will consider your (Thomas777) proposal. :)

[Thomas777]

Give a message to "Stan" and "88Flak," et al.: Reverse the ban on some Firezone folk and mebbe the Admins here will consider your (Thomas777) proposal. :)

What the phøra does or doesn't do has no bearing on what goes on here. When people publicly flame Feyd in absentia on the phøra, I object to it as well. Its a shitty thing to do.

[funderbunked]

What the phøra does or doesn't do has no bearing on what goes on here. When people publicly flame Feyd in absentia on the phøra, I object to it as well. Its a shitty thing to do.

I'm sure the Admins will make their own decisions.

As to yer quote above: What the phøra did (in banning about fifteen members) had everything to do with why Firezone was created in the first place.

Duh.

[Thomas777]

I'm sure the Admins will make their own decisions.

As to yer quote above: What the phøra did (in banning about fifteen members) had everything to do with why Firezone was created in the first place.

Duh.

The Firezone was created in order to facilitate a higher quality of discourse than is found on other forums of similar interest. It wasn't created to maintain and perpetuate infantile internet feuds.

[Hunter Wallace]

That's right, and I don't talk smack about people when they aren't present to advocate in their own defense.

If Feyd has an issue with Il Ragno, he should take it up with him man to man and allow him an opportunity for rebuttal. Better yet, we all should put an end to petty ''forum wars'' and cease personal attacks upon opponents.

Thomas,

I was going to let this matter rest, busy myself with other issues, but this is the second time now you have raised this point. There seems to be some confusion on your end.

A few days ago, il ragno was over at Stumble Inn trying to rouse a mob to have us all banned there. He did the same thing on your forum. In the end, he was successful in that effort. I don't recall any of us demanding his banishment over there.

This obsessed loser was haranguing me for weeks before I finally lost my patience and responded to him. friedrich and several other people you know will verify this.

Please understand that I spent upwards of $1,000 over a period of four years for this ingrate and his associates could use my property to libel me. My naive hospitality and respect for free speech was abused by parasites who exploited my good will.

There are some people in this world who simply have nothing resembling what we Southerners call manners, still less any concept of gratitude. It is incredibly poor form to waltz into a man's house, kick your feet up on the coffee table, and slander your host from his own living room.

I'm not sure if this is a class defect, a cultural one, or a personal hang up, but I can think of fewer qualities in an individual that smack more against my tastes, or a better specimen of this type of guttersnipe than il ragno. He is hands down the most sleazy internet character that I have encountered in cyberspace.

He tried the same act out on Texas Dissident before he washed up on The phøra; playing a decisive role in destroying that forum. This guy barely had his foot in the door at The phøra before he was using the PM system to libel me in secret. For years now, he has perpetuated this feud. A few months ago, he turned on Niccolo, hardly an ally of mine, in much the same fashion.

In hindsight, I should have trusted my instincts several years ago and banned him from The phøra, as it was already obvious back then that he is even more of a shit stirrer than Raina. I have no intention of making the same mistake again.

il ragno is permanently banned from The Firezone. I have washed my hands of him. Really, he is more trouble than he is worth. Let him sow discord and animosity at other locales. Those who desire to interact with him can always do so there.

[Helios Panoptes]

You missed the point that Thomas777 made, which is that it's poor form to rake someone over the coals while at the same time preventing him from responding.

[Hunter Wallace]

You missed the point that Thomas777 made, which is that it's poor form to rake someone over the coals while at the same time preventing him from responding.

No, I didn't.

il ragno 1.) lobbied to have us banned from other forums (Stumble Inn, The Torah), 2.) spends his time attacking us on those forums where we can't respond, 3.) libels this entire website on other forums, and 4.) has been instrumental in the dissolution of three websites (Original Dissent, The phøra, Speakeasy). Those are very good reasons to permanently exclude him from The Firezone.

Why should this individual be allowed to post here? He's proven himself to be a shit stirrer, an ingrate, and a habitual liar. I would rather have Brandon Orr or Mynydd around - anyone, in fact - than that guy.

I'm done with him.

[Hunter Wallace]

il ragno,

I know you constantly browse this forum and follow everything I say.

Guess what? We recovered a copy of the 2004/2005 phøra database this afternoon. I'm told that tens of thousands of posts are archived. Many of these are your old files. It's now only a matter of transplanting that material here.

Whoops.

[Helios Panoptes]

You've missed it again. You don't need to let il ragno post here, but you shouldn't insult him in his absence. Either let him post or allow the matter to rest. That is the gist of what Thomas777 was saying.

[Hunter Wallace]

il ragno doesn't have the slightest problem insulting others in their absence. In fact, as I noted above, he was doing this for quite a long time before we were forced to acknowledge his presence.

Attacking his character? That's about the last word I would use to describe that guy. He's nothing more than a bloodsucking parasite who uses other people for his own purposes. Let's review:

- He never spent so much as a fucking dime to keep The phøra (or Original Dissent, or Speakeasy) up and running.

- He never had to deal with with all hosts that shit canned us over the years for 'racism'.

- He never had to mediate ten thousand petty quarrels via reported posts.

- He never had to put up with the hacks or the real world harassment that running a show like The phøra invited.

Instead, he contributes absolutely nothing to the perpetuation of our forum, works to sow discord and animosity whenever he senses the opportunity, drags down our discourse, and reserves the right to libel the founding members of The phøra for his own amusement.

Well, the real phøra has reunited here, and kicked his ass to the curb. No one can honestly say he didn't deserve it.

[Odysseus]

All of this has been evident to me ever since I first met il ragno on my debut troll of the phøra.

Speaking of which, just to clear the air on that matter I trolled the phøra originally because I had the mistaken impression that it was a Stormfront knockoff. But even the current phøra isn't as shitty as that worthless pile of shit.

[Ymir]

I agree with Feyd's critics that it is bad form to criticize someone while excluding their responses.

In general.

However, there is a very good reason why such people are excluded, and Feyd has already listed them. I don't know exactly what actions Il Ragno has taken in the past months, because I've been away from everything for nearly two years. But, Feyd has a mild temperament and is not prone to starting serious feuds. I trust his judgement.

If Feyd's opponents don't allow him that courtesy, then we should respond in kind.

[Hunter Wallace]

I'm reposting this here:

"phøra members who want their 2004/2005 posts restored need to sign up an account here. Otherwise, their posts will be set to 'guest' status, and they will be unable to access them through their UserCP."

We have a pseudo-database. The posts are there, but it has to be rebuilt from scratch.

[Pasdaran]

You've missed it again. You don't need to let il ragno post here, but you shouldn't insult him in his absence. Either let him post or allow the matter to rest. That is the gist of what Thomas777 was saying.

What difference does it make if Ragno is here to respond or not? This just a petty internet feud on a message board.

Besides Ragno has no issue with slamming Fade on Stumble inn even when Fade is banned from there.