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Why Jews and Europeans are not Separate Races

A casual comment : Read what I actually say before you try to refute what I say! I am not arguing that Jews are simply people who converted from all over Europe and the Middle East without a standard pattern. There is a pattern, but it does not constitute a race. If your read this carefully, I am not arguing that typical Jews do not have a genetic signature, but I am saying they are not a race or non-white. I am referring to Jews who do not have any recent converts in their family line. I am aware that you can test someone’s DNA and forensically examine evidence that they are probably Jewish, but you can do the same thing to find that someone is of French ancestry and not German as my links below will prove.

(Another Note: I do not think this applies just to Jews, but also to Arabs and North Africans. They are not “races” either. they tend to be part of the greater Caucasoid race centered around the Mediterranean sea. However Jews without recent converts, both Ashkenazi and Sephardic, cluster near Southern Europeans and they cluster further away from Arabs and Israeli Geneticists AND White Nationalists never admit this! Ashkenazi Jews also have levels of Eastern European admixture, but it is not the majority of the ancestry.)

Racial Reality on Jews
Races of man
Coon on the Mediterranean Race
Coon’s Work Remains Valuable
Analysis of Ashkenazi Jewish Genomes Reveals Diversity, History

“We were surprised to find evidence that Ashkenazi Jews have higher heterozygosity than Europeans, contradicting the widely-held presumption that they have been a largely isolated group,” says first author Steven Bray, PhD, a postdoctoral fellow in Warren’s laboratory.

Plates from C.S. Coon’s “Races of Europe”

“The division of the Caucasoid stock into Europids and non-Europids is a totally arbitrary division. The Caucasoid race has local types in both Europe, Asia and Africa, and these blend into each other whenever the natural environment presents no obstacles. There are (in particular) no obstacles that separate Europe from West Asia, or Central Asia. To claim that a magical line that separates Europids from non-Europids can be drawn is to (automatically) give “peripheral” Europid status to the European people living on the western fringe of this fictitious line.” – Dienekes Pontikos, anthropology expert

Huge paper on human genetic relationships based on 650K SNPs

No, your eyes aren’t deceiving you. This paper is proof positive that European ethnicities can be distinguished from each other genetically. Even close-by populations (in this case the French and the Italians) are neatly separated. When geographic distance increases there isn’t even a hint of confusion: e.g., Russians, Orcadians, and Basque are neatly and clearly separated from other groups. Doubtlessly there would be some more overlap if more individuals/population were used, but the thrust of the discovery is intact: it seems that several European ethnicities and local populations make sense not only culturally but also biologically. – Dienekes Pontikos

The reason Jews are not a race is based on what the definition of what a race is. Before the liberals took over society, race was defined based on measurable characteristics, chiefly bone structure. The term “race” was also used to describe Mediterraneans and Nordics, by Coon, but Coon explained this by saying that they were one race, Nordics were “depigmented Mediterraneans.” So while Coon may have talked about a Nordic race and a Mediterranean race he meant they were both still part of the Caucasian race and thus the implication is that these are not really races but subraces. The layman’s explanation, is that hair color and skin pigmentation are not what a race should be categorized based on, but bone structure and that those other traits are subracial traits.

I am not speculating here, it is pretty obvious that that is what Coon meant, so read it yourself!

Based on these measurements of bone structure and not “genetics hokus pokus” (good word from Jon Entine) which is interpreted wrongly to “prove” that anything that can be “distinguished” is as different as a Black person is from a White, the five races are Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Capoid and Australoid (notice that native Americans – who are Mongoloids – and Hispanics – who contain people of every race – are not included). Now pretend for a minute that I am wrong. Pretend there are really more races or less races. Even so, I am taking a six sigma “DMAIC” view that the number of races can be defined based on a process and that the result can be based on an objective criteria. The basis of my critique is that “race” must be properly and consistently defined and calculated in an impartial way before it is measured and quantified. You cannot define the process in a way to promote the political objective that Jews and “Aryans” are separate, but you have to define the process objectively and then apply it mechanically. Six Sigma is a tactic used by most successful manufacturing companies to reduce the number of defects by arguing that everything should be measured and the process should be clear.

Analogously, there are a certain number of continents, a certain number of Planets (even though Pluto was kicked out) and there are also a certain number of races. Within these races, variation is really a “subrace” not a race. In fact modern dna does confirm that the basic races exist, but it what it shows is that genetic drift is a gradual process that is separated by major barriers such as the Sahara Desert and Ural Mountains. Modern genetics show that DNA changes in each of these races, but it also shows that parts of the genome were blocked by those barriers. So while an Italian may be different from a Russian and a Syrian, both have Caucasian DNA that Negroids or Mongoloids (East Asians) do not have.

In order for Jews to be a race and not an ethnic group or subrace, Jews would have to have DNA that is outside of those five groups or outside of whatever other number of groups are produced by a measurable process. The races would have to be : Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Capoid, Australoid and Jews.

See how it is kind of ridiculous! Even if we were to suggest that Jews were not Caucasoid, the rest of their ancestry would fall into the normal human groups. However, non-converted Jews are overwhelmingly Caucasoid and mostly (but not completely) Mediterranean. The most similar population is the Italian population and this is logical because of Italy’s geographical location and the dominance of the Roman Empire during which Jews converted in large number when now they do not.

Now one may think that the Jews are just a religion. They are a religion but they are not just a religion, (except during the Roman Empire) the religion did not attract many converts and thus many Jews married other Jews. One mistake I made was to argue that there is no genetic profile of a stereotypical Jew. I was wrong to do this, but this genetic profile is not the result of Jews being a pure race but of the normal random variation that exists in human beings. You and your parents also have a genetic signature! Because Jews have existed in Western Eurasia (Europe and the Middle East) primarily, most Jews are Caucasoid.

Now to talk about whether Jews are white or not. Unlike white nationalists claim, “European” and “Caucasian” are not different enough to be separate races, neither were they isolated from one another because boats have existed since 3200 B.C (another source : When were boats invented). Like Jews, Southern Europeans also come from the Middle East and Northern Europeans are depigmented Southern Europeans and thus they also have Middle Eastern ancestry, but lost their pigmentation. The idea that the Mediterranean sea was an uncrossable barrier, causing genetic variation, but then that genetic variation stopped once entering Europe is false. Instead, genetic drift is slow and steady! Crossing the Mediterranean Sea is far easier than crossing an Ocean to go to the Americas.

A final point of interest is that even though non-converted Jews do not have a majority of ancestry form Northern Europe because the majority comes from the Mediterranean, they do have more ancestry from Northern Europe than Italians and Greeks, because they lived there in recent history.

Metal Gear @ May 12, 2012


4 Responses to “Why Jews and Europeans are not Separate Races”

  1. Metal Gear Says:

    People who talk about “pure Genetics” usually do not know what they are talking about and are simply trying to confuse their own audience.

    I understand the way Genes are tested, but there is no way these people can know as much as they claim to know.

  2. Metal Gear Says:

    I will concede one thing.

    Even if what I say is true, Jews still were distinguishable from Germans.

    Now, not a huge, overwhelming, gargantuan difference like Hitler said, but a small tiny difference. Both groups are Caucasoid.

  3. Metal Gear Says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_genetics#Ancestral_populations

    The best evidence that skin color is not a racial trait but a subracial trait is that Australians and Blacks are the furthest groups apart genetically, yet they still share similar skin color. Whites and Asians are closer to Blacks than Australians are by genetics.

    As I said in the article, bone structure is the main trait to measure race based on. Genetic studies closely match the original categories that were postulated based on this analysis.

  4. Metal Gear Says:

    You can even find dogs and cats who have blue eyes and brown eyes.

    Pigmentation is a bad analysis to categorize races!

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