Prozium’s response to previous article. My Comments.
Wednesday, January 21st, 2009http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/01/20/response-to-iceman/
At Free Media Productions, Iceman makes a few controversial points about American racialists. Here is my response:
1.) Jews did play a major role in the demise of American racialism.
2.) Negroes and American Indians were not assimilated into American culture at the time when they were extended citizenship.
3.) The idea that America is a “nation of immigrants” wasn’t popularized until the 1950s. The phrase “nation of immigrants” comes from an essay penned by JFK for the ADL.
4.) Anglo-Americans are indigenous to North America. They were the original settlers.
5.) America was a “white man’s country” until the mid-twentieth century.
6.) Chinese immigration was banned several times in the 1880s.
7.) Japanese immigration was restricted by the Gentleman’s Agreement between TR and Japan.
8.) Korean, Vietmanese, and Cambodian immigration was banned under the Asian Exclusion Act.
9.) “Free blacks” were legally considered “persons” not “citizens” under the Constitution until the ratification of the 14th Amendment. The Dred Scott decision excluded negroes from citizenship on the basis of their race.
10.) Non-European Caucasians were denied American citizenship on the basis of “whiteness.” See the racial prerequisite cases.
11.) Imperialism did play a major role in the demise of segregation. No argument there.
12.) Jews played an instrumental role in the reconceptualization of America as a universal, cosmopolitan nation. See the New York Intellectuals.
Here is the original artcle (note that Metal Gear and Iceman are the same person)
First off, I will thank Prozium for responding to my comments, even if there are ideological differences. More discussion between different blogs is a good thing.
I’ll note that most of what he wrote didn’t actually go against what I wrote. I acknowledged that a relatively timid and mild racialism existed in America. And I claim that the rise of cultural imperialism and globalism destroyed it, which he didn’t entirely dispute, except he disputed the extent non-whites were assimilated. Prozium claims that Indians and Blacks were not assimilated, but they were speaking the same language, fighting in the same military (even if it was segregated), and in the case of Blacks, worshiping the same Protestant religion. They were listening to the same music, even if at segregated shows. Indeed assimilation of culture lead to making racialism inconvenient in America. When you are battling a bunch of Indians who are charging you with tomahawks and stones, it is easier to enact mildly racialist legislation in defense then when you are calmly walking down the sidewalk with one and having a friendly conversation while sipping on a drink from an international corporation like Coke. The mild racialism that existed in America was only a matter of convenience and blew away just like the wind when capitalist interests changed. That is how I view American history.
As for “non-Europeans” being non-whites, I have already acknowledged that in the case of Asian Indians, they were declared non-whites who were Caucasoid. The Supreme Court noted that they were Caucasoid but still voted against declaring them as Whites. On the other hand, Jews, and not even Ashkenazi Jews but Sephardic Jews such as Benajamin Judah, were even assigned leadership roles in the Confederacy. While there was no Arabian Benjamin Judah, individual states frequently decided to consider Arabs white under Jim Crow Laws. This all reinforces my thesis : the racialism in America was mild and blew away just like the wind once the times changed. It wasn’t hardcore racialism; it was casual racialism.
As for America being a “white’s man country,” it is more accurate to say that the American regime that won the war against Frenchman, Spaniards, and Indians was lead by white Anglo-Saxons. But Indians still existed, and they still had their own history, and they still resided on the continent, they just weren’t as successful in building an empire as whites were and therefore later became swallowed into the Government that was initially in favor of whites. To quote Ian Jobling, “Indeed, white people created the whole moral system that condemns them.” The obsession with being bigger, more inclusive, more open and larger is the epitome of capitalism, and that ambitious capitalism is responsible for the lack of firm ethnic rooting within modern America.